thinking about the G23

[all2matt]

Ive got a 2010 tige Z1 (bought new) and previously have a 2003 tige 20i (bought new) and had very good luck with both boats but my buddy had a 210TE back in the day and it was my favorite wake (so peaky). So later this fall/winter/spring Im pondering a tige Z3, malibu 23lsv, or a G23. Malibu has a dealer in town so thats a big one for me, Tige has the AVX which sounds like an awesome idea plus I know tige, but the G23 seems to have top notch interiors and the exterior is sick, just recently hearing some oppinons on the surf wake and they seem postive. I mostly surf (85%) nowadays so thats a huge priority in a boat.

Im hoping to get some opinions on the G23 in comparison the the other 2, the one huge problem I see is the price tag and is an extra $30,000 worth it over the next 8-10yrs of owning the boat. I have 3 kids under 3 so interior depth is a very big factor which seems like one of the G23s biggest attributes. Also we surf on a river with sometimes limited depth (10-14ft) so I know with my tige anything under 10 and the surf is gone does a drifted (as opposed to listed) boat suffer from this too? I have not ridden behind any of the 3 but plan too over the summer. I was hoping for some ideas, oberservations, suggestions and flatout Biasy (is that a word) from you guys.

[JoeA]

I had a Malibu then moved over a G23 this year. Fit, finish and quality are far superior IMO on the Nautique. Go test drive one and you'll see.

If you start to negotiate you WILL NOT see a $30K price difference. You cna snag a sweet deal at the end of the season (September/October timeframe). I saw a 2014 last September at the dealer year $109K loaded to gills with the PCM450.

[Austin179]

I would highly suggest putting the new 230 on your list as well.
I was looking at the G21 and ended up with a 210.
The G has more storage and more bow room, but the new 210 and 230 are deeper than previous years.
The surf wake is going to be awesome on either, but you may enjoy the 230 payment a little more.
Just my 2 cents!

[jp853]

I was out on a Tige ASR last weekend with a friend and we found it just as easy to tell the driver to change the wake. The AVX system sounded like a cool idea to me too but not one person ended up using the remote.

[JoeA]

G23 has a serious wave. If wakesurfing is your thing then the G23 is great option.

[nyryan2001]

Joe, love the wave!

[Tallredrider]

I thought that a nicely loaded Z3 could be had for about 90K, and a similar G23 would be about 120K.

I rode a fully loaded Z3 surf wave last fall and a few weeks later test drove the G23. I found the Z3 wave to be outstanding, very big and lots of push, but the G23 wave was longer, and has all of the ballast under the floor. The Z3 had the ballast fully occupying the rear storage compartments. They were also farting around with crossover vent lines and some things to get it fully dialed in. The Nautique dealer just put me on the stock wave and away we went.

[JoeA]

I'm not tying to talk you ought of a G23 but I gave serious consideration to the Supra SE last Fall. I just could not buy a first year boat with a first year Ford engine. Supra has stepped up their game and the wave on the SE is VERY VERY good.

[all2matt]

what kind of depth are you guys needing to keep the surf wake good? I know my tige anything below 10ft its gone but its not til I het about 14 ft that its fully maximized.

[nauty220]

I would say it's the same for a G. Some would argue you need to get to 15+. I'm on a bayou and it ranges from 14-20 and have no problem


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[Bspot]

Well I also owned 2 Tiges before buying my G. First off quality, there is absolutely no comparison. The Nautique is top notch and my Z3 was laughable once you started to pick it apart. MY Z3 had a good wave but I prefer the G wave. I love the fact I can have full ballast and still store all my surf boards and life jackets in the rear lockers. But pricing was the big difference, the difference between the 2 boats was about 45k, but worth every penny!

[flounder]

You are comparing apples to oranges. G23 all the way. However with malibu dealer in town that could be a winner. However if you are going to look at 23lsv you need to look at nautique 230.

[all2matt]

i test rode/drove the malibu 22vlx to get an idea about the malibu features and the surfgate. I was disapointed with surf wave. it had 1250# tanks full, 2-500# P-N-P bags full plus 3/4 wedge, we rode it in 10-12 ft of water with the random 15-17 spots at 10.8mph. It had a little bit less push than my Z1 does with only the 1 surf side 600 full, the wave had no lip to slide or pop off, you just would slowly slide over the top. The dealer did say he hasnt ridden behind this boat yet so maybe it was set up wrong? but I thought with the surfgate its supposed to be basiclly effortless to set up and go.

so myquestion is: is this an effect of a surfgate boat? or is this an effect of too shallow of water? or a mis setup boat? or a consistent result of a drifted boat?

from the picks of the G23 surf wave it looks alot for like my tige with a big face and defined lip. My tige has push back to the curl and you can feel when its gone, the malibu never gave me that feel of the "push is here but not there" if u know what I mean. The surfgate wave looked clean and decent fro the boat but just didnt have any push in it. Have any of you had a similar experience? should I retest it because it obviously was a bad result? any oppinions welcomed

[KTM525]

On most Bu, you have to add some bow weight, the biggest plus from the G's - good wake with stock and subfloor ballast. Huge storage and a trashcan in a place that make sense ;-).

all2matt - the 22vlx should make a good wake, i don't now if the 12 ft are a problem. But you could play around when you do another test-drive - less wedge, a little bit leaning to the regular side, move some people (aka voice controlled ballast) into the bow....

[Tallredrider]

I had the same experience when I test drove my first surfgate boat. The ramp was long, but no vertical surface to play on. Sometimes I could end up over the top of the wave and into the mush without realizing I was going there, or end up in the flat without push because the wave was such a gradual ramp.

Having said that, I think skim style boarders like that a bit. It makes 360's easier, but airs harder. Having learned to surf on a Tige 24V, the surfgate was not going to do it for me. I understand that if you list the boat a bit, it gives the wave a steeper face to play on.

I saw your post on the crew about your experience, and it looks like some guys have some pretty awesome waves, but I have found my G23 to be the best out of the box wave out there. No farting around to 'dial it in' like you hear so much about. I am sure that I can get a better wave with my G23, but some of these guys have spent hours and hours of trial and error to get where they are at. My only adjustment was to go faster than the factory preset, that's it.

Or you can just do it right the first time, and buy a Nautique. The wave is terrific, and with the NCRS you can adjust some of the face of the wave if you want some rampiness to it.