G21 Surf Wake in Shallow Water

[FRG]

I came from a 2014 210 and had my doubts about the G21 Surf wake. I went out 1/2 dozen times with disappoint. I did my research on PN and went out with disappointment. I finally have figured it out! For the people that ride in 6-9 ft of water, here are my settings: NRCS: 3 NSS: 0, Full Ballast, Extra 500# sac on the side you surf. + (4 adults in the boat) As good or better then a 210 with pro ballast. Baby G just needs a little more weight!

[swankster]

What speed are you running?

[FRG]

River Mode off (I have to make adjustments while someone is surfing) 10.1 up river 9.3 down river

[swatguy]

The G looks awesome man. Best looking boat you've owned to date with the 03 Sante being a close second.

[nyryan2001]

6-9ft of water surfing ????? BAD

At anything less than 13ft I can start to watch my wave diminish... At 10-11ft it literally goes flat.

You need to be surfing in 15ft + ASAP !!!

[shag]

Forgive me for not knowing, but with NSS at 0, does that mean it isn't being used at all?

[nyryan2001]

NSS 0, or SurfVert 0 still extends the tabs out a tiny bit.

[Whitetail15]

nyran,

I believe you are wrong about this info, but please correct me if wrong.... NSS 0 or surfer 0, my tabs stick out to fullest most extended position. you can see it as the surfer and feel it as the driver. when set at 0 in my G21, and you switch from surf port to surf starbaord, it has the most effect on the steering of my boat. much much more that when NSS is at 5.

[nyryan2001]

White, no buddy... NCRS 5 and SurfVert 5 are the furthest deployed. 0 is the least. Get running with either at 0.... Then crank either up to 5 quickly and watch you RPMs. Higher RPMs result due to more drag on both. 0-5 costs you approx ~150rpm each as you crank them from 0-5. Roughly 300rpm more combined for
Both.

If you wanna see it with no SurfVert/NSS you gotta hit SURF OFF.

Just so we are clear here with what we are talking about.... NCRS is your bow up/down for wave height and length options. I usually run 3-5 on NCRS.

SurfVert/NSS is your wave face steepness... 0 would be more rounded and mellow wave face, 5 would be super steep. I usually run 1-3 on surf vert. Surf vert too high makes it real steep and too high causes the wave to curl over on itself, washes it out and shortens the wave length unnecessarily.

I run 11.4-11.5 for beginners. 11.6-11.8 for intermediate and advanced.

[Whitetail15]

nyran , i follow all your post you realy know your stuff when it comes to these boats, and i value your ideas and thoughts....... but we can agree to disagree on this one. maybe someone from nautique can chime in.

also , maybe my 2015 g21 is jacked up or wired wrong and I can not explain the rpm thing on your boat, i will check mine this week. Here is what i can tell you for sure

NCRS- 5 makes my bow rise out of the water- it reduces the length of my surf wave
NCRS- 0 makes my bow sit lower in water - it lenghens my surf wave and has more surf able area before in turns to white wash.

NSS-5 when surfing port side, my starboard nss plate is extended very little
NSS-0 when surfing port side, my starboard nss plate is fully extended.

also with nss on 5 and switching from surf left to surf right while going 11.3 it has very little effect on the steering and the correction you have to make to stay straight
with nss on 0 and switching from surf left to surf right while going 11.3 it has a very positive effect on the steering and the correction you have to make is much greater to stay straight.

this tells me on my boat the nss plate is extending further and causing more drag on 0

but again, maybe it is just my boat. i will check rpm and get back with ya.

[nyryan2001]

Just playing around today... While surfing a great wave... 11.6, NCRS SurfVert 2, I turned the surf system off... Terrible.... Flat washed out wave. Don't see
That being a good way to make a good surf wave on a G.

[Kenv]

I'm with Whitetail on this....from what I have been reading....and what I THOUGHT was said on here....NSS on 0 means plate is "Fully extended out" on one side of the boat. Is this not how the system works? Ryan....are you saying NSS 5 is plate all the way out from the stored position and NSS 0 is all the way "in" but still in "Surf On" mode of course? I haven't actually watched the plates move on my 21 but I do feel that big tug to the back of the boat when switching sides with NSS on 0 like Whitetail mentioned.

[Dandy21]

I'm with Whitetail on this....from what I have been reading....and what I THOUGHT was said on here....NSS on 0 means plate is "Fully extended out" on one side of the boat. Is this not how the system works? Ryan....are you saying NSS 5 is plate all the way out from the stored position and NSS 0 is all the way "in" but still in "Surf On" mode of course? I haven't actually watched the plates move on my 21 but I do feel that big tug to the back of the boat when switching sides with NSS on 0 like Whitetail mentioned.

This is funny. Last fall/this Spring I started a thread asking for clarification on this. For me, if I can relate the setting to the action I can then use the system better...I am a very visual learner. There were not a lot of responses to that post, however no one was able to co firm and the answers varied. Maybe Nautique can chime in and confirm once and for all

[seveet]

+2 on NNS 0 is all the way deployed, 5 is minimal. Just looked at it last night. This is somewhat counterintuitive.

[vision]

+2 on NNS 0 is all the way deployed, 5 is minimal. Just looked at it last night. This is somewhat counterintuitive.

Agreed that this designation seems backwards. I assume they did this to match the NCRS, i.e. higher number gives a more vertical wave.