2015 SAN 210 VS AXIS A20

[matthewnunziata]

Hello, I was looking into both of these boats and was wondering what boat was better in the wakeboard category, the wakesurf category, comfort category and which one had better handling. I was also wondering which one would last longer and break down less.
Thanks

[nautiques4life]

Depends if you post this on the axis forum or the nautique forum.

[mooseknuckles]

Demo both. Surf and wakeboard behind them. Drive, drop the wedge on the Axis, fill ballast, ride as a passenger and lift up all the seats and inspect everything. You will then have a great idea as to which is best for YOU.

[BoardSkier]

Agree with above. Ridden in an Axis and own a Natuque - not a 2015. Both are great boats and throw nice wakes. Which one is right for you is a personal choice. An objective difference I noticed is the build and appointment quality of the Nautique.


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[swatguy]

My first question would be why are you comparing the 210 to the A20 a 20ft axis. I think a better comparison in the Axis line would be the A22 or T22. The A20 is much smaller.

You're going to notice the Axis will have much more plastic abs filler pieces instead of tru fiberglass molded in. You're also going to get touch screens and extra backing plates in key areas inside the Nautique with a little thicker fiberglass in very important areas in the construction process. You will have to decide if you think the extra $$ for the Nautique is worth the better quality of build and longevity of the boat. There is no arguing that the Nautique is built better. I don't think you will ever hear anyone say otherwise. If you do they are high. It comes down to if you feel the extra $$ for the Nautique is worth it for your situation.

Performance wise there is no doubt the Axis wakes in both wake boarding and wakesurfing are amazing. Great shape, great pop, very easy to dial in. Clean at speeds all the way down to almost 17mph. This holds true from the a20 all the way through the entire line to the A24 They are right on par with the wakes from the 210. I would almost argue the wakeboard wake on the A22 and A24 can be better than the 210, but that's simply because it's tends to be a little peakier and have more straight up pop from the lip. Personal preference.

Now on the the A20 more specifically . The wakeboard wake is def on par with the 210. You ride at a shorter rope length behind the Axis because even though the A20 might be the shortest boat, it for some reason has a wide wake. Even compared to the A22 the A20 is still wider. However the surf wake on the A20 is def below a 210 with NSS....even an A20 with surfgate. The Nautique seats will all have gas shocks to keep them up , the Axis will pull out like older boats. The vinyl and foam on the seats is thicker and a higher quality on the Nautique. You will gain more storage with the 210 as well. This is because the Axis A20 fills the bow area completely with its plug and play addition. in the case of the A20 vs the 210 I think you are definitely giving up performance for staying at a lower price point. Your also giving up a ton or room and storage. Jump to an A22 or my personal recommendation a T22 and it puts it spec wise on paper and feel way more close to a 210. I also now don't think you sacrifice any performance in the realm of cutting cost. So those are decisions for you to weigh.

In the end an A20 vs a 210 I don't see how the 20 can win out. It's performance is less, size is less, but so is the price. 20ft boats gets cramped really quick when loaded with gear coolers and people. Stack an A22 or a T22 next to the 210 and the decision is much much harder for one to make based on performance alone...... and now size is not even a factor. I can easily see an A22 or T22 winning out against a 210 in cases/arguments, but I can't ever see a case where a sufficient argument is made for an A20 to beat a 210 unless price is the only reason.

[simplysanj]

I have a 2002 210 TE and my neighbor just bought last year an A22 so I've gotten to ride both. I can't speak about the A20 but the A22 is a bigger boat than the 210 and can take way more ballast and sink deeper, however it doesn't come with it stock and you have to DIY to get it into a useful state. The surf wake is nice without the surfgate but far from awesome. I consider the 2014 230 with NSS as the best I've ridden so that's what I am comparing it to. I've spent a bunch of time working on the ballast on my neighbor's A22 and we've never gotten anything amazing out of the surf wake. Also the wakeboarding wake is a bit limp compared to the 210.

As far as the interior, the 2002 Nautique is still light years ahead of the 2014 Axis. The Axis dash looks like it was made in North Korea out of army surplus parts. Next to a new Nautique it's no comparison.

At the end of the day, try them both and spend a while sitting in them and looking in the lockers and all the coolers, engine compartments etc. Talk to the dealer too, my neighbors Axis dealer barely knew what ballast is for, my Nautique dealer rep was a pro wakeboarder and knows every last detail about every Nautique made in the past two decades. Do your due diligence and good luck!

[all2matt]

looks as if you already have a Nautique so just one trip to the dealership should be able to answer all visual questions in about a half hour. last year I went and checked out a Axis at our dealership and thought the same thing as others above have said, interior quality is way down to keep the price down. My 2010 Tige Z1 felt way nicer than the 2014 a22 and I didnt want to feel like I was taking a step back in technology. If you dont care about the inside then Axis is going to be a very viable option. Outside though I definilty have to give the HULL looks to the AXIS the 210/220/230 just looks plain jane to me. The good part about the AXIS is if stuff starts to fail/break your more likely going to be able to fix it on your own and not have to pay $120/hr labor rates that a nautique might run you when the warranty is gone.

are you buying a boat that you want for 3 yrs or 10 years. I spent more than was figuring I would going in but I knew that this boat would be my last one for the next 8-10 yrs. AS with my previous 2 I tend to keep them longer than some as I bought both my Tige's brand new. S o if your looking to rotate boats every couple of yrs go with the axis because the depreciation hit/loss might not be as much as the Nauti and may be easier to sell because you'll be pricing it much lower than the Nauti. Yes the Nauit will hold its value better over the long run but it also starts out much higher, so if your gonna keep it than get the 210. 20% loss on $80,000 is more than 25% loss on $50,000.

[DLafont]

As simplysanj stated talk to the dealer(s) and make sure that you're comfortable dealing with them; talk to the service manager and parts manager too. Dealing with good folks at those positions is key IMO since these expensive toys need TLC at times and trusting that they're doing you right will ease the pain of having your boat in for service.