Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

[Erik]

Ok, first of all, I hate posting stuff like this because I really don't want to become an enemy to the industry and to Correct Crafts's dealer network. That said I am seriously considering running a feature on wakeboardreport.com where I highlight boat sellers that really are either very confused, or spent 50 dollars to post an ad on Boattrader for purely comic reasons.

http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/0/82425370.htm

Cliff notes: 39,000 for a 2000 Super Air Nautique with 275 hours on it.

I don't know why this sort of thing bothers me so much, but it does. Not only because it makes wakeboarding seem like an impenetrably expensive sport, but because someone actually placed an ad, and paid for a listing that quotes this boat at approximately 10,000 more than it is worth. Additionally, it is a price that any loan officer will tell you is considerably higher than the blue book value of the boat, and far more than they'd be willing to finance you for. Why it is still listed as such an inflated price, is beyond me.

Are people really paying 40 grand for 6 year old, 2 owner Super Air's?

[MHayes]

RE: Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

Erik, sounds like you're the one with the problem, not the person selling the boat. Not sure why you have to get bent out of shape over what someone else is asking for their boat?? If that's what he wants to sell it for, let him try it.....doesn't mean that's what he'll get for it, but then again, someone may pop up and give him the $39,500, never know. Yes he's starting out on the high side, but someone can always make him an offer that's lower. You've never seen someone come along and say, "hey man, you're asking $30,000 for that boat, how about I give you $31,000 for it". LOL, my $.02.

[jonbassham]

RE: Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

Eric,

If you are going to blast someone... how about you get your facts straight first!

1.) That is my home dealer and i would put them up against any dealer in the world... they are like family and treat my boat and i like they would their own.

2.) They deal used boats as a brokerage... not as the actual dealer. A private individual asks them to list their boat and their price on the dealers website and lot. THEY DONT SET THE PRICE, NOR DO THEY HAVE ANY CONTROL OF THE PRICE!

Let me know if you need any further clarification.

Jon Bassham

[82tique]

RE: Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

The seller is probably upside down on the loan.

[Deuce]

RE: Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

Jon, I don't know how Erik's facts were wrong?

He posted a boat that is listed at far more than the value. Seems the facts are pretty straight forward.

Note, I don't care if someone wants to try to get double the value of the product they are selling, it just won't be me buying it. In fact, I truly hope that all 2000 SAN's start selling at 39K... But as far as the facts....I don't know where something was misrepresented?

Anyway....carry on.

[Flux]

RE: Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

And there lies the problem with buying a used boat from a dealership. You really can't blame them, they are only brokering and have to make money. They are also stuck with what the owner wants for it. If you are considering the boat, call and make them a bluebook offer. If someone throws around 40k without doing their research, that is their own fault, there are lot's of places to figure out what a boat is worth AND BOATTRADERONLINE IS ONE OF THE EASIEST. I dare say that boat will no be sold quickly at that price, if at all.

When we purchased our SANTE, we looked for a long long time, at every possible boat, and got a real good idea of what they are worth. We were looking for used and saw few at dealerships that were not overpriced by our standard. We ended up buying an 02 for a little more than 40 with 90 hrs and every 02 option on it, and a dual axle trailer as well. The previous owner was gonna sell it through the dealership, a very good dealership, but they wanted too large a cut, so he put it on boattrader and we bought it for his reasonable asking price with little hassle.

Is it a scam?? No.
Is it overpriced?? Heck yeah.
Should you buy it for 39k?? No way.

have a laugh and forget about it unless you are buying it.

[Erik]

RE: Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

Let me know if you need any further clarification.

LoL. Ok. I will keep that in mind.

Brokered or not (and that is your assumption) - for some reason I get really annoyed when people try to sell these things for prices that are so far over generally accepted value. I also get anoyed when I see people selling their 1986 Ski Nautique 2001's for 12,000. That feeling is tripled when people actually pay these amounts.

I guess I have an interest in seeing more people in the sport... And as for this price being high because the person is upside down... well... at that price the new buyer will be upside down the day they buy the thing. That is a fact, Sirs.

Your concern seems to be more around letting this person make money however they want to. Which is acceptable. I guess people can charge whatever they want. Youre right. If I were the dealer, I would not have my name attached to a boat that is 10 thousand dollars over priced. Consignment/broker or not.

And this love affair people have with their dealers... lets be a little bit realistic. There is no need to put them on any sort of pedestal. I agree that a good relationship with a dealer is nice. But if you really think about it, how often do you want to have to deal with a dealer? My answer: Never if possible. But things break and the reality is that you go back and visit the dealer. But the defense that the dealer is a 'good' one does not protect them from criticism if they post an ad like that. I think you may be looking at this from the dealer perspective a little bit too much. From a consumer standpoint - this is ad borders on comedy (tragedy if someone falls for it and tries to finance it).

[jonbassham]

RE: Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

Deuce,

Eric's fact were wrong because he said look at this dealer.... when the dealer did not set the price. Look at this individual would be more accurate.

Eric,

Your comment was directed toward the dealer. I am saying that if you think this through that is the wrong person to blame.

It's easy for you to say, that you would refuse to list a boat that is overpriced... you dont have to think about customers that pay your bills... but just THINK about it... A (returning) customer comes in and asks you to list his boat at his price, you can offer the suggestion of lower the price, but thats about it. Do you really think it would be wise to refuse to list a boat, because you dont agree with the price???

Also, i'm not putting my dealer on a pedestal. I have worked with several boat & car dealers and you just dont find good service that often. BUT, when I do, i want to reward the company and poeple for their efforts with the hope that other dealers will catch on! I would guess i'm not the only one with this idea.

[Erik]

RE: Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

All I said about a dealer is that I don't want to be on the dealer network's bad side. What you extracted, I guess, is sort of a thinly veiled criticism of the dealer, but it was semi-accidental I guess Yellow_Flash_Colorz: So I'll take that. But I believe that they kind of deserve the criticism. And by the way I am not trying to be a snot - I actually just like discussing this stuff so it is all in good fun ok?

But as for the rest of this - I just flat out disagree. I would instruct the seller that they would not garner interest in their boat with an asking price that is 10k over book value and that I would not want to associate my dealer to prices that one could bypass, have a boat shipped from the most distant part of the country, detailed, tuned and delivered to them and still wind up saving money having not bough this boat. We're not talking about few extra thousand dollars here. We're talking 5, arguably 10.

And after looking at Buxton's "Used" listings, I rest my case. To be quite honest, I don't imagine that they sell the boats at these prices. They may be listed high, then talked down to something more reasonable. In today's world where anyone can jump on eBay, iboats or boattrader and do a quick comparison, they aren't going to be talked into paying 10k extra on a used boat that is already out of warraty anyway just because they got a good promised relationship from a dealer.

[dave210]

RE: Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

the truth of the matter is the boat will only collect dust at that price and the dealership knows this and doesnt want to hurt the sellers feelings. people always think thier boats are worth more than reality you know the truth so just go with it

[MNSuperAir]

RE: Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

I agree with both of you. I do believe Buxton's lists high and sells low. My current boat came from a private party through Buxton’s (brokered). I was able to talk the seller (not Buxton's) down close to $5k. Was I mad that they listed it high. No. I offered what I wanted to pay and the deal was done.

Buxton's is also the best dealer I have ever done business with and that includes auto's and boats. I will probably drive to Dallas from MN to get my next boat through Buxton's.

[ag4ever]

RE: Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

To fuel your fire, my understanding of the Dallas/Fort Worth inboard market is that MOST of the people buying the boats ARE paying too much. What is worse is that they know they are paying too much. They use it as a braging point, to see who has the most expensive toys. I don't know why, but it seems to happen there. I think that is why you see most of Buxton's ads so high, they simple get the money a lot of the time. If it was not listed high, then they would not get it.

Me on the other hand, I want it as cheap as I can get it.

Now, Eric, if you don't like the cost of the sport, I am sorry, but everybody has the right to set whatever price they want for what ever they want to sell. If a 2001 came along that was in perfect condition and a buyer wants to pay 12,000, then more power to them, if one is trashed out, and a buyer still wants it for 7,500, more power to them. I personally don't want the value of my '02 SANTE to tank just so more people can afford to clog our lakes. Heck, I love the high prices, it keeps the lakes from getting even more crowded, not that it is working that great.

[jonbassham]

RE: Insane Correct Craft seller of the day

I personally don't want the value of my '02 SANTE to tank just so more people can afford to clog our lakes. Heck, I love the high prices, it keeps the lakes from getting even more crowded, not that it is working that great.

ROCK ON!

[patoloco]

Agreed, with several of the above...

Our economy is based on people trying to make the most profit possible and buyers having the freedom to accept or decline business with an individual or dealer. The beauty of our free market economy is that it will all work itself out.

I don't have the money to overspend on anything, but some people do. Maybe he sells it, maybe it sits there for a year. Who knows.....better yet...who cares.

I was on the lake before wakeboard boats and I'll be on the lake long after and I've learned one thing. Less boats on the water = more fun. I hope it sits on the lot for 20 years!. haha

[Erik]

I guess I agree with the concept of less boats on the water. But it is a very odd approach to the argument. And achieving that end through exorbinant price setting for our favorite kind of boat is even stranger. Do you not see the connection here? Somehow we all got into the sport, and into boating, and I actually like getting people interested in the sport. It dosent mean they're running out buying boats by the truckload. And while we're discussing it - wake boats are not the main problem actually - it is the countless crappy runabouts and jet skis at least on the bodies of water I am familair with and use. Not sure where you guys are that is so infested with wakeboarding boats, Nautiques even, to the point that you want them to not be part of the boating ecosystem and want them to be shut out by people who dont understand the real value of a given boat. But, the internet is what it is and all points are taken. Very interesting stances though.

Now, Eric, if you don't like the cost of the sport, I am sorry,

Huh? No, I dont like the cost of THAT boat. What was your real point there - to say I don't like the cost of wakeboarding? Kind of a weird comment. You do realize I am involved in the sport so at some point DID accept the cost of the sport, right?.