Slalom wakes

[MARK-S]

RE: Re: RE: Slalom wakes

KX and PX suck. When you compete behind all of the big 3 and with all the HP differences, your best bet is to turn it off. SGY, not sure what Rudder load is, but I trim my tab to the right of the rudder, for a pull to the left. When I let go of the wheel, the wheel will go left. It only takes a very small diamiter to create the pull. What kind of air temps do you have that skisix is into 38 already? I am jelious.

[SGY]

RE: Re: RE: Slalom wakes

By rudder load I mean the amount of physical effort needed on the wheel to keep the boat from turning left. The 196 I drive takes more effort to keep the boat straight. My 206 is very light to the touch. The good news is, I didn't seem to have much trouble pulling skisix last night. (Of course, he might have a different opinion. It was the first time I've pulled a very shortline skier with my boat.) I would like to have just a tad more load on the wheel.

Skisix is an animal. I've been out five times, he's been out at least six. Yesterday I ran my first full pass at 15 off. I was elated because it took me all summer to get their last year. Skisix ran 35 off on Saturday without breaking a sweat. He decided to try 38 off yesterday and probably would have run it had I not screwed up the start with PP. The air temps have been in the high 50's and low 60's. Today its almost 70 but very windy. We're going to give it a try nonetheless.

Mark, you need to move to Denver.

[imported_pjdave]

The ski club im a member of currently owns two Malibu responses. The boats are used for 95% wakeboarding and 5% sking. I know that the response is a great all round ski/wake boat when loaded.

Anyway the Question
Our local Nautique dealer has approached us and is willing to match or better the price of a new response for a 206. I know the wake for sking is great, but can anyone tell me how good the wake is compared to the response when loaded for waking.

I own a San an know that of course the wake will be far off its cabability, but no one has wakeboarded behind a current 206 in Austaralia and can give me feedback. The dealer has no demos avail at the moment

Second question are we better off pushing the dealer for a 216?
I would love to see our club in Nautiques
Thanks Dave

[Hollywood]

I don't know anything about weighted 206s or 216s, but find it VERY hard to believe they can be worse than a Response.

[skisix@38]

Re: RE: Re: RE: Slalom wakes

Thanks for the nice words Steve. Ultimately, the amount of load ono a rudder is an individual thing that the owner has to decide he can live with. My RLxi and Walts 196 are both used almost exclusively for short line slalom and what I need to do well there is for everything to be exactly correct. With the rope at 38 or shorter, 6" is a large percentage of the way to 39.5. So, whether that 6" comes from a rope length tolerance, or a boat path tolerance it's start to become clear that if those aren't exactly precise, I could be trying to run 39 instead of 38. To the point in question, the rudder load enables the boat to have a finer resolution in steering and thus able to make a finer adjustment. With out a good deal of load there will be some play in the steering that allows the boat to drift. When you consider the beam is some 93", 6 " isn't a lot of drift to the boat but is to the skier.

By rudder load I mean the amount of physical effort needed on the wheel to keep the boat from turning left. The 196 I drive takes more effort to keep the boat straight. My 206 is very light to the touch. The good news is, I didn't seem to have much trouble pulling skisix last night. (Of course, he might have a different opinion. It was the first time I've pulled a very shortline skier with my boat.) I would like to have just a tad more load on the wheel.

Skisix is an animal. I've been out five times, he's been out at least six. Yesterday I ran my first full pass at 15 off. I was elated because it took me all summer to get their last year. Skisix ran 35 off on Saturday without breaking a sweat. He decided to try 38 off yesterday and probably would have run it had I not screwed up the start with PP. The air temps have been in the high 50's and low 60's. Today its almost 70 but very windy. We're going to give it a try nonetheless.

Mark, you need to move to Denver.

[MARK-S]

SGY,
I would love to be out west. I should have water in a few days. I loved the feel of the 206 for shortline driving, there is never a need for any sudden jerks. As a skier, you can feel more confidant in a less skilled driver when they pull you.
I hope I see 38 within 6 days of sking, though I will free ski for a few weeks first.

[MARK-S]

I would agree with Skisix. If the driver is not on line, 6 inch drift will kill a shot at 39. The driver can also bouy bang, give you the 6 inches and a load of confidance. Just dont look at the bouy path video.

[skisix@38]

True dat, however, it's my experience that if the driver can't keep a straight line, the the chances of getting a line that favors the skier are in the lotto range. All I need is straight! I'm not saying it's easy to do but when it happens, things are much easier.

I would agree with Skisix. If the driver is not on line, 6 inch drift will kill a shot at 39. The driver can also bouy bang, give you the 6 inches and a load of confidance. Just dont look at the bouy path video.

[SGY]

I can't wait to be good enough to worry about a six inch boat path deviation. Maybe when I'm 50.

PJdave, using the Response 95% for wakeboarding is a waste IMHO. The same would be true for a 206. If I were in your club and looking at Nautiques, I'd look at a 216, it will give you a better wakeboard wake and still a decent slalom wake. The 216 will load up much better than a 206 and still, when empty, give a near tournament level slalom pull. You might also ask your dealer about the CC SV211.

To answer your question regarding comparing the 206 and Response, I believe that the Response, with the wedge, would give a better wakeboard wake without having to load the boat up. Frankly, the Response is a very good boat with alot of flexibility due to the wedge. Not sure about the 206--although I've heard that the TSC2 hull gives a nice wake shape--albeit small. Waterskimag gave the Air 206's wakeboard wakes an intermediate rating. Again, if you are 95% wakeboarding, both CC and Malibu have better offerings with still a decent slalom wake.

[MARK-S]

I will take straight to. Hopfully SGY is doing his best Becky Lathrup imitation for you.

[SGY]

I will take straight to. Hopfully SGY is doing his best Becky Lathrup imitation for you.

It's more like Jerry Lewis learns to drive. Skisix is a very patient man.

[pj]

My friend has a 2002 Super Air (which I think is basically the 216). The wakes are a little "firmer" than my 196. But, I have no trouble in the course with it.

[ag4ever]

Super Air is a 210, and the slalom wake sucks. I know as I have one, and still don't like the slalom wake. If I get some lake front property, I plan to just get a 196 or 206 to use as a slalom boat only, and keep the sante for surfing and air chair.

[SGY]

pj, you friend must have a Pro Air.

[pjdave]

I can't wait to be good enough to worry about a six inch boat path deviation. Maybe when I'm 50.

PJdave, using the Response 95% for wakeboarding is a waste IMHO. The same would be true for a 206. If I were in your club and looking at Nautiques, I'd look at a 216, it will give you a better wakeboard wake and still a decent slalom wake. The 216 will load up much better than a 206 and still, when empty, give a near tournament level slalom pull. You might also ask your dealer about the CC SV211.

To answer your question regarding comparing the 206 and Response, I believe that the Response, with the wedge, would give a better wakeboard wake without having to load the boat up. Frankly, the Response is a very good boat with alot of flexibility due to the wedge. Not sure about the 206--although I've heard that the TSC2 hull gives a nice wake shape--albeit small. Waterskimag gave the Air 206's wakeboard wakes an intermediate rating. Again, if you are 95% wakeboarding, both CC and Malibu have better offerings with still a decent slalom wake.

Thanks for the reply.

The club would love to run a V drive boat seeming wakeboarding is the major use.

But it brings two problems,
1- the boats we have are changed every 2 years (one this year, the other the next so on) If we have one wake boat and one ski boat, the hours on the wake boat will be run up too quick as most people will want to use it so having near identical boats keeps this problem away, this means that mayby we should just run wake boats, but then guys like you (hard core slalomers) will kick up a stink which would be just.

2- to own and run two boats we cant afford a v drive boat, The responce and 206 both meet our budget around $50aus
( that being the responce will have more options) so these were the two best options in the Austarlian market