Cleaning up 02' SAN 210 wake

[obd666]

Ryan, I assume you are the same guy that contributes all the the video to the "Wakeboarding Hall of Fame" FB page. I think its AWESOME and I enjoy watching all the old clips from when I first started wakeboarding. Keep up the good work!!!

was trying to figure out where i recognized the name from! yes indeed, i have really enjoyed your contribution vids to the WHOF project, keep em coming.

as regards the wake, will prolly just have to keep experimenting. i never have issues cleaning up my 03 beyond just dialing in with some pop sacks, but that is typically 21 - 23 mph or so.

[RyanShimabukuro1]

was trying to figure out where i recognized the name from! yes indeed, i have really enjoyed your contribution vids to the WHOF project, keep em coming.

as regards the wake, will prolly just have to keep experimenting. i never have issues cleaning up my 03 beyond just dialing in with some pop sacks, but that is typically 21 - 23 mph or so.

Thanks obd666! Glad you're enjoying the videos as well. I'll keep experimenting with the weight once I'm back on the water. Will try to shift some bow weight towards the rear.

[josemolino]

You´re probably right. I have just tried a couple of times at 26.5 but never so long, but my impression looking backwards was the longer the rope the less stable the wake.

[lffish133]

Ryan, Yes I would take all of the weight out of the bow and just use the ski locker for your up front weight. I'll only harp on this one more time. 26.5 seems too dang fast for that boat (and wakeboarding in general, I can't imagine taking hits at that speed). I remember after 24 the wake changed shape dramatically and it loses the shape that makes that boat legendary. Also it obviously requires a ton more weight to get a big wake at that speed. The old 210 was the best boat for getting a big wake with minimal added weight. You should be able to ride at 23~24mph with a 80-85ft rope which should feel close to the same as 26.5 @ 90. I rode 23.5 and 75ft line. You may find that this boat isn't the best fit for your preferred riding speed and rope length.

[RyanShimabukuro1]

Hey lffish133, thanks again for the clarification. I will continue to experiment with the ballast and see if that helps to clean up the wash on the lip.

As for my riding setup, I've ridden that way for many years now, on many different boats. I have actually tried going back to a slower speed and a shorter length several times. But my best & most consistent riding is at 26.5mph and 90ft. I've got no complaints riding the 210 with that setup as I've ridden the older 210 model for many years and I'm very satisfied with the shape and size of the wake with my current ballast set up. I'm just looking for a way to clean up that little bit of washiness on the lip since it's just an annoyance to me.

BTW, where in Utah do you ride? I mainly ride at Willard since I live up in Layton.

[brhanley]

I'm not sure people are comparing apples to apples here. Anyone riding at 21-22 mph is not putting the type of weight in their boat that Ryan is talking about. I have found that a more even weighting of the boat from ski locker to bow results in a firmer wake and a more consistent pull from the boat (less porpoising, wake hits being more predictable). I run a similar set up to Ryan -- 750 bags in rear (probably fill to 600), ski locker (300?), 400-500 lbs in bow (bag perpendicular to walkthrough), and some lead here and there. I'll add another 250 lb bag in the playpen area if a small crew. At 83', that is in the 24.5 mph range. Going to 75', probably can get down to 23.5 mph. When I want to ride shorter and don't feel like filling all the bags up completely, I'll fill the back bags halfway and maybe throw some weight in the ski locker. I can bump that down to the 21 mph range. The wake is usually still poppy but not nearly as much as with the extra weight. If you're putting substantial weight in the rear lockers, I think you need to put more up front and go faster. I personally like the firmness of the wake with more weight up front. The SAN wake is already peaky enough. I have had experience putting lead all the way to the nose and I like my current set up better...drive that deepest V part of the boat down.

As for Ryan's actual question, if it's not affecting your riding, maybe it's not worth worrying about. I personally think your weight set up sounds pretty good to me. From the vids I've seen on wake world, you and your friends seem to like it too.

[brhanley]

Oh and thanks for all the WHOF stuff. Very cool to see all that old footage...

[RyanShimabukuro1]

I'm not sure people are comparing apples to apples here. Anyone riding at 21-22 mph is not putting the type of weight in their boat that Ryan is talking about. I have found that a more even weighting of the boat from ski locker to bow results in a firmer wake and a more consistent pull from the boat (less porpoising, wake hits being more predictable). I run a similar set up to Ryan -- 750 bags in rear (probably fill to 600), ski locker (300?), 400-500 lbs in bow (bag perpendicular to walkthrough), and some lead here and there. I'll add another 250 lb bag in the playpen area if a small crew. At 83', that is in the 24.5 mph range. Going to 75', probably can get down to 23.5 mph. When I want to ride shorter and don't feel like filling all the bags up completely, I'll fill the back bags halfway and maybe throw some weight in the ski locker. I can bump that down to the 21 mph range. The wake is usually still poppy but not nearly as much as with the extra weight. If you're putting substantial weight in the rear lockers, I think you need to put more up front and go faster. I personally like the firmness of the wake with more weight up front. The SAN wake is already peaky enough. I have had experience putting lead all the way to the nose and I like my current set up better...drive that deepest V part of the boat down.

As for Ryan's actual question, if it's not affecting your riding, maybe it's not worth worrying about. I personally think your weight set up sounds pretty good to me. From the vids I've seen on wake world, you and your friends seem to like it too.

Thanks brhanley for your input! You on point with everything you said. With my normal crew that I ride with, I have a wide range of set ups but the nice thing with my current setup is that I don't need to change anything. My wife rides at 23.5mph at 70ft, my friends normally are at 24-24.5mph at 75ft, and then there's my longer/faster setup. The bow porpoising at my speed is an issue so I will have to see what is the least amount of weight I can get in the bow without it porpoising but still keeps the wake firm. I would like to experiment with the suggestions everyone has given me, but I agree that having my 540lb fatsac perpendicular to the walkthrough seems to be the best setup.

And I'm glad you like the video's I've been posting on the WHOF. Thank you for your support!

[lffish133]

Ryan -

I usually ride at Utah Lake or Deer Creek. I'm not riding as often as I used to but its still fun when we get out! I think brhanley's post could be spot on as your speed is much faster.

[RyanShimabukuro1]

Ryan -

I usually ride at Utah Lake or Deer Creek. I'm not riding as often as I used to but its still fun when we get out! I think brhanley's post could be spot on as your speed is much faster.

Gotcha! I haven't ridden at either in several years. Maybe we'll get a chance to hook up and ride one of these days.

[markj]

Okay maybe this is a stupid question but, are you sure your speedo is calibrated properly? I only ask that because my old 2005 SAN's perfect pass speedo was 2.5 mph different than what the boat's speedo said from the factory. Personally, it never bothered me as long as I knew where everyone's prefered speed was on my boat. That usually meant 21.5 on the paddle wheel perfect pass and 24 mph on the boat's speedo so 26.5 may just be an inaccurate speedo reading that is really less than actual speed. I guess that still doesn't resolve your wash issue (which I never had while running similar weight).

[RyanShimabukuro1]

Okay maybe this is a stupid question but, are you sure your speedo is calibrated properly? I only ask that because my old 2005 SAN's perfect pass speedo was 2.5 mph different than what the boat's speedo said from the factory. Personally, it never bothered me as long as I knew where everyone's prefered speed was on my boat. That usually meant 21.5 on the paddle wheel perfect pass and 24 mph on the boat's speedo so 26.5 may just be an inaccurate speedo reading that is really less than actual speed. I guess that still doesn't resove you're wash issue (which I never had while running similar weight).

markj, yes, the speedo is calibrated since I use a handheld GPS to make sure I know what speed I'm riding at, on every boat.