What should I do.

[Jeb1974]

I know people like spending other people's money but I figure I'd ask anyways. Haha.

I went to the boat show tonight and got talking to the sales guy who sold us our boat last year. They have a gorgeous black flake and blue g23 that I love. It's loaded up with every option except the supercharged engine - it has the one that's one size under (h6 I think). Anyways, it would basically cost me $25k Canadian to trade up from our 2015 g23 which is loaded with the 450 and 70 hrs. I love our boat (minus the audio). I think I read here that 2016's are about 15% more this year so it's seems like we'd be pretty close to whole on our last boat.

Surf wave isn't super important to me. Does this seem like a good deal? Would you do it if you didn't care about the surf wake?

[KTM525]

If you don't care the surf wake? Stay with your 2015 Boat and save the money.

[JoeA]

What are some things on the 2016 that you want and do not have on the 2015? Double check that actual engine as that is important now and at resale. I was thinking the H6 is the perfect engine for the 2016 G23s.

[ironj32]

On an apples to apples comparison of the G23 from 2015 to 2016, they did not go up 15% this year (at least not where I'm from). It was more like a 5-6% increase.

[Guntersville230]

Just a thought, being from a cold area the "new" way to drain/winterize the H6 with turn knobs could save alot of headache...also if you really wanted to upgrade audio (sounds like ur dissatisfied with the 2015) factor in what an upgrade would cost you? Granted these wont add up to 25K but if your are looking these would be the little things to consider....I'm sure there are many more to consider....


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[Jeb1974]

On an apples to apples comparison of the G23 from 2015 to 2016, they did not go up 15% this year (at least not where I'm from). It was more like a 5-6% increase.

Thanks, that's great info. It seems like an alright price but not something that I have to jump on. It would be nice to have the new stereo and hull without the spray but it's really not worth the $25K to me.

I asked about how the wakeboard wake compared to the 2015 and he said of the guys he rode with some said no different and others said it had a little more lip (similar to the G21). I'm interested to see what you think.

[Wayward]

On an apples to apples comparison of the G23 from 2015 to 2016, they did not go up 15% this year (at least not where I'm from). It was more like a 5-6% increase.

I think even less than that, technically.

IIRC the starting MSRP on a 2015 was $129k, but it didn't come standard with NSS, which was like $4500.00 I think. So, base price with NSS was 133-134k. A 2016 has a base price of 136k and includes NSS and a better sound system. Realistically, it was only around a 2% increase before considering the better audio system, and other new additions.

[ironj32]

When I rode it, I thought it had a little more lip (not something that would deter me from buying a new one). A few pros have said the same. If you don't want any more lip than what the 2015 has with the NCRS at 5, you'd just need to take that down to 4, 3 or whatever meets your liking.

[Beg4wake]

Yeah in all honesty...If surfing is not that big of a deal to you, then I would just stay with the '15. Plus, didn't the '15 have closed cooling? That seemed to be something many people liked over the open cooling of the H6 on the 2016's, even though winterizing on the H6 is a breeze with the new plugs. The H6 does offer a little more torque and better fuel efficiency, but not $25k worth. The less spray is a great thing, but then again you only mostly got that on the earlier G23's when surfing, which it doesn't seem you do a lot of. Also the new Surf Select option is pretty cool along with the faster transfers, again...surf based upgrades. Almost all of the differences from a '15 to '16 were geared towards the surf experience, sans the engine and stereo. Wakeboard wake is very similar with just a touch more lip as stated above, but nothing to throw away 25k over. IMO, if I were you, I'd just invest $5k or so to upgrade the stereo and just keep what you have now! I mean your '15 is still practically brand new! If you were one of those who primarily surf then I would say go for the trade.

[ironj32]

If you were going to the 550 with the 2:1, and were a wake junky that weighted it to the max, it sounds like you would see a decent increase in the overall size of the wake...supposedly it can handle another 1k pounds over the 2015 550.

[Jeb1974]

If you were going to the 550 with the 2:1, and were a wake junky that weighted it to the max, it sounds like you would see a decent increase in the overall size of the wake...supposedly it can handle another 1k pounds over the 2015 550.

I don't wakeboard nowhere near the level you do so most of the time I don't even fill the stock ballast 100%. I really wouldn't mind trying one loaded up sometime though.

[Catalac]

I doubt 25k is "worth it" either but that's the math basis the US / Canadian exchange rate, costs 1.4 can to a grenback this year vs 1.25 last year. I know Canadian dealers are receiving a currency adjustment from correct craft to stimulate buyers, trick will be to get your dealer to give any of that up. If 25k is what they offered, that's the start of the negotiation, I'd come back at 15k.

[Jeb1974]

Yeah in all honesty...If surfing is not that big of a deal to you, then I would just stay with the '15. Plus, didn't the '15 have closed cooling? That seemed to be something many people liked over the open cooling of the H6 on the 2016's, even though winterizing on the H6 is a breeze with the new plugs. The H6 does offer a little more torque and better fuel efficiency, but not $25k worth. The less spray is a great thing, but then again you only mostly got that on the earlier G23's when surfing, which it doesn't seem you do a lot of. Also the new Surf Select option is pretty cool along with the faster transfers, again...surf based upgrades. Almost all of the differences from a '15 to '16 were geared towards the surf experience, sans the engine and stereo. Wakeboard wake is very similar with just a touch more lip as stated above, but nothing to throw away 25k over. IMO, if I were you, I'd just invest $5k or so to upgrade the stereo and just keep what you have now! I mean your '15 is still practically brand new! If you were one of those who primarily surf then I would say go for the trade.

If I only surfed I'd probably end up getting a Centurion Ri237 and save $40K. I like my Nautique but that is a hot looking boat.

I agree that the upgrades are not worth the $25K. I was under the impression that there was a larger price increase for 2016 and could probably wrap my head around paying it if resale on the new one would be close to the $25K (which doesn't seem to be the case).

[nohlan_4]

If I only surfed I'd probably end up getting a Centurion Ri237 and save $40K. I like my Nautique but that is a hot looking boat.

I agree that the upgrades are not worth the $25K. I was under the impression that there was a larger price increase for 2016 and could probably wrap my head around paying it if resale on the new one would be close to the $25K (which doesn't seem to be the case).

As others have said surfing is what nautique was targetting with the '16's upgrades. Let wizard sit on their boats alittle while and go back mid summer if you really want the '16 I'm sure they will be more willing to deal then.

[Beg4wake]

If I only surfed I'd probably end up getting a Centurion Ri237 and save $40K. I like my Nautique but that is a hot looking boat.

I agree that the upgrades are not worth the $25K. I was under the impression that there was a larger price increase for 2016 and could probably wrap my head around paying it if resale on the new one would be close to the $25K (which doesn't seem to be the case).

Honestly I'm not that big into surfing either. I'm def geared toward wakeboarding which is why I got the G23! I've never been a fan of Centurion for wakeboarding...their wakes always seemed "soft" to me. And I cannot stand the FS series...just my preference on the looks. But I did have to go over to centurion boats.com to see this Ri237 you speak of....and gotta admit, that IS a good looking boat. And if I were solely into wakesurfing, I'd probably go that route as well!