Will the 2016 model G23 change the resale value of older G23 market?

[Z man]

I've been lurking on this site for a while now and I find myself wondering if the 2016 model year will be a major influence in the resale market for G23's in the years going forward. I've noticed a few key things that the 2016 model has that if I were to buy one would I need to have it or would I grow to not miss it? I add this because I have a real tendency to update my boat to have the styling ques as the later year models come out.

First one would be the 2016 seat... I'd have to change it if I bought a different year model because the new seat is the best looking seat I've seen in a wakeboard/surf boat.

The Link system Hot buttons on the arm rest is so sweet

As a MC owner, I'm key on the audio interior speakers being JL's so I'd want them, particularly the two new 12 inch subwoofers

The revised NSS system

The redesigned rear end for surf and the front for a dryer ride

The step pad on the rear seat

etc etc etc

I just wonder if one bought a 2015 and spent the money for the 2016 goodies, minus the arm rest mouse and hot buttons, if they would miss the other stuff.

[wakeslasher69]

my guess would be that you couldn't add most new items from 2016 into a 2015 boat. Reality is if you can afford these boats to start with you are likely updating fairly quickly to the newer stuff. I went from a 2013 into a 2016 this year specifically for the new goodies. But then again I'm a "bell and whistles" admitted junkie. Right now with the 2016 redesign you won't see much affect on the used market but a year from now when a few used 2016 hit the market you'll see pre-2016 models get depressed in the used market.

[Bevostein]

I think it all depends on if the market comes to believe 2016 was a major redesign or not. I am on the fence as to whether I think it is or isn't. The dry ride just isn't a big issue for me because I can find calm water on my lake and haven't had to deal with a wet ride. The wakes are incredible on pre 16 models and can be tweaked with ballast etc. I haven't been behind a 16 so can't speak as to whether that is a difference maker. Bells and whistles will always drive some price difference. I am not a big enough gear head to get geeked up about the new motors but others might.

To me, the biggest difference right now between these model year besides styling and bells/whistles is the409 engine/the 2013 tranny(I forget the ratio)/the 2:1 tranny in 2014-16 for the 450 and the 2:1 tranny in 2016 for the 550.

[Tallredrider]

I beleive the new 16 has hurt the resale on the older models.

I had a 2015 and upgraded exclusively to get the dryer ride. But I live in the desert and windy afternoons are just part of the deal. On calm days, I loved my 2015, but on windy days, I might as well have been driving through an amazon rainforest in a convertible. It was terrible for me, in my area, the way I use the boat. Some people never go when there is a wind, but if I waited for that, I might never go. I would not have upgraded if I did not have this spray issue. None of the other stuff is enough to make me dump a very good boat.

I can live with either seat, in fact, the new seat looks cool, but I cannot say it is any better.

I actually like the 2015 screen better. I have 22 hours so far on this boat, so I am comfortable with all of its functions, and still miss the other screen.

The surf wave is a little better, but that is coming from a 2015 when I thought the wave couldn't get any better. Not the #gamechanger we were looking for. For reasons I cannot yet explain, I struggle to cross the wave to the other side on my 2016, but I was getting pretty good on my 15.

I think the step pad was the dumbest idea. Now nobody can sit in the middle of that seat because the step pad is there. It looks cool and sounded like a really good idea, but I would rather replace that section of vinyl every couple of years. I put 150 hours on my 2015 and did not have a problem.

JL would be easy to add to a 15 and would be awesome. The new stereo is for sure better, but the option is for 10 inch subs, not 12. I am still deciding how to upgrade the sub, since I went with the basic system. I put a JL 12W6 in my last boat and it was a nice hard hitting sub.

When I ordered my boat in September, I anticipated a certain price, and did not get it, and I beleive that is because the 16 upgrades have depressed the market.

[Z man]

Tallredrider, I think your right on in your post. I didn't realize the 2016 JL subs were the 10 inch. I also echo your thoughts on the JL 12w6, as I am using 2 of them in my X15. I was really interested to buy your 2015 G but couldn't get my ducks in a row this year. I do however look at the pictures of it that you sent to me about everyday.

[pSchwade]

To me, it seems like it could go either way - I think the biggest difference is the direct-injection motors; if they stick around it will be a "must have" for anyone looking to spend a significant amount of cash on a used boat in a couple of years. if they flop or have a bunch of problems then people wont even look at them. So I doubt the 550s probably will see much of a change, but a well preforming H5 or H6 could be a premium selling feature.

Keep it in mind that most of this stuff is well out of my price range (I just upgraded to a 220) but it seems like all of the other stuff is a nice bonus, but it probably wont make or break a sale...

Everything else seems like its in the noise:
the JL's are nice, but I think most would prefer wetsounds on the tower and I dont really mind the polk in-boats. I know the JL's are better, but its not enough to impact my opinion on price or look at a different boat.

I wasn't aware that the huge Gs had a problem with a "wet ride" so im sure most other non-G owners wont know that they're getting anything extra in the 16'

most non-CC owners looking to switch over will probably want the step pad (CC seems to have one of the only known paths to getting factory quality upholstery, everyone else assumes you would have to take it to a local shop and it would be hit or miss on quality and color matching) but an existing CC owner would probably prefer a standard seat

[JoeA]

I see the values in this perspective. As new boat prices go up the used models depreciate at a slower pace and are deemed to be much more affordable. I think Tall bough a Malibu 247 or LSV many years ago, kept it a few years and was able to sell it for nearly what he paid for it.

Time will tell but the G is highly sought after and if new prices keep climbing then the used market will be solid and prices will not drop quickly. I do think the dryer ride is a big deal on 2016s but for most people an engine is an engine and PCM has always done a good job with their products.

Time will tell.

[surroundsound64]

I see the values in this perspective. As new boat prices go up the used models depreciate at a slower pace and are deemed to be much more affordable. I think Tall bough a Malibu 247 or LSV many years ago, kept it a few years and was able to sell it for nearly what he paid for it.

Time will tell but the G is highly sought after and if new prices keep climbing then the used market will be solid and prices will not drop quickly. I do think the dryer ride is a big deal on 2016s but for most people an engine is an engine and PCM has always done a good job with their products.

Time will tell.

x2 on the engine. PCM has always been the benchmark. Anything they make will hold value.

[Miljack]

Overall I believe the '16 model will begin the decline in value for the older models, one can already see the effects on the '13's. Someone outlined some of the significant model changes, and I believe the '16 & newer models will further define these improvements. I love the idea of the direct injection engines in the new G's, I just wonder what impact fuel quality may have on these engines. The HP and torque gains are due mostly to the increased compression ratio in these DI engines, the efficiency of the fuel delivery of DI allows these increases. If these DI engines become a maintenance issue wherein the fuel system and valves need to be cleaned regularly, that will impact their resale value down the road.
Time will tell on these engines...

Also, the '16's have a transferable "full warranty" instead of the parts only warranty available to the 2nd owner...

[jphdrake]

So I'm not sure if this is the correct thread for this topic because I'm not sure how the 16 G will effect the used market. I do feel that the 16 has been a "Game Changer" for a slightly different reason. Yes, there are the stated changed in the 16 model but we have noticed a substantial change for the better with the wakeboard wake. In the previous generation G's the wake was huge but some serious wakeboard riders preferred the G21 wake because it was big with a lip or with pop. The 16 G23 now has the huge G23 wake with the pop or lip of the 21. Sort of the best of both worlds. I am just running stock ballast and each time I pull an experienced rider they will ask how much extra weight we are running because they cant believe the wake of the 16. I have owed previous G23's and I truly believe it may be a "Game Changer" for a different reason. I have not seen this mentioned before and I am curious if anyone else that has a 16 and can compare to a previous year has experienced the same thing.