Terry McNew Leaving Correct Craft

[bkhallpass]

Whether good or bad, right or wrong, business and religion do get intertwined. There will always be those influenced positively or negatively by the religious beliefs of a business. Probably most will not care.

Just for kicks, I did a good search on the exact phrases:

"Christian Business" 755K hits
"Jewish Business" 103K hits
"Hindu Business" 8.3M hits
"Muslim Business" 85K hits
"Buddhist Business 715 hits
"Scientology Business" 9500 hits

Seems clear to me that there is strong interest out there in the religious affiliation of business. Personally, I don't care one way or another, but that's just me. BKH

[ag4ever]

Christianity does not make you honest.

I know plenty of christian that are horrible people.

I know plenty of Jewish people that are horrible.

I know plenty of people that worship other religions that I consider bad people.

I also know plenty of people from those same religions that are good.

Good people are good, bad people are bad. Religion should help to become good, but you have got to be the one to be good, religion does not make you good. Regardless of the religion.

[redelf75]

8,300,000 hits for Hindu Business? By who?

[redelf75]

Good people are good, bad people are bad. Religion should help to become good, but you have got to be the one to be good, religion does not make you good. Regardless of the religion.

Amen! Mazeltov! Right on Brother!

[bkhallpass]

Well, I did it again and got 2.5M hits for Hindu business. Still, like you, I was surprised. BKH

[niagararob]

let me get this straight. little DIGA gets the thumbs up from his dad for putting all these christian dirtbags in their place, meanwhile the company that builds the boats we own and is the reason for this web site shouldn't mention an issue that deeply affects their business. when my children become instigators, i'm not proud of them, i give em a smack upside the head.

i think SGY articulated the situation perfectly

[patoloco]

Did my son elicit all this discussion? 'Cause if he did, I'm very proud of him. He is not afraid to admit he's Jewish in an open forum where it's obvious that he stands as a minority and risks heavy attack

Yeah, I'm with SGY also. I thought this discussion was around if business and religion should mix as opposed to specifically being a "christian business" I think your son is perfectly safe from risking a "heavy attack" on this forum because he is Jewish.

I personally would not link my business to religion, color, or anything else unless my business was dependant upon it, but its perfectly within anyones right to do so.

In the business world, and as a consumer, I find it annoying when people bring age, race, religion etc into that realm where it is not relevant. I could care less if a 90 year old half mexican, half japanese, one legged buddhist who secretly worships a pink bunny builds my boat, as long as he builds the best boat possible.

[speck]

yes, SGY and niagara rob have seconded my point, i find it offensive that austin states his religious background, and at the same time kicks meloon for mentioning his and McNew's. what a double standard!! and daddy says horray!? wow.
i can't figure out why daddy assumes that Austin might be afraid to admit his Jewishness, and that he is good for overcoming that. Do you two assume that others automatically will hate you? Do you go around assuming that the world is anti-semitic, and are surprised if someone isn't? get the chip off your shoulder. we are not nazis. we are just glad to be christians.
Jn 3:16

[AbunDiga909]

Austin, would it have bothered you less if the news release indicated that he "is a deeply religious man" as opposed to a "Christian man"? If not, then what does your being Jewish have to do with it? In other words, what bothers you, the mention of Christianity or the mixing of business and religion? Your statement describing your religious beliefs tends to indicate that its the former.

Ya know, thats a good question, and I couldn't answer that so simply at first... But, here's what went through my mind when I saw what Ken wrote at first: Recently, I've been starting to get into business, a lot. Its time to start thinking about college and what to do with all this "stuff" I've learned in the past years in school. For the past months, I've had hand-on experience in seeing what its like to get an event planned. Althought it didn't succeed, I still got an intro to what the real world is like. For a book I must read for a certain assignemnt, a good friend recomended a book on Economics. Now, I'm in the middle of Naked Economics by Charles Wheelan--a great intro book to the business world for people who don't know much. These are not advanced things, but I've taken it upon myself to get a jump start in the big world of business. To top it off, instead of becoming a ski-bum and working at the marina being a slave walking docks, cleaning bathrooms, and placing wooden blocks under hulls--as much fun as it would have been to be around Nautiques and some cool people--it looks like I will be spending a month in Cambridge taking, guess what, a college course in Economics and Business.

Sorry for the long personal history, but the point of this is that I try really, really hard in what I am interested in, and in this case that is becoming successful, esp. w/ business. So, when I hear a rep. from one of the greatest companies I LOOK UP to, hear him saying that someone being a great religious Christian has anything to do with being such a great business leader, I get a little discouraged, to say the least. Honestly, I don't think Correct Craft has many 16-yr-olds that are as enthusiastic about the sport and company as I am.

What he said was kinda rude, I thought. Why do I care what he thinks about religion? Why should I care about what he thinks about religion? What I do care about is that now I am less likely to ever apply for a job anywhere at CC (including dealers), b/c I know that since I'm Jewish, there will always be that little part of Ken's mind that will not think of me to its FULLEST potential, b/c I'm not a great Christian man. Someone said they're out to convert a few, or may convert a few as a plus. I DON'T WANT TO BE CONVERTED! Who are they to tell me what religion to be?!

I'm embarrased to be talking about religion so much in the same post I talked about my whole "business" life...

Sorry for the rant.. I think there's more to say but I forgot... :rolleyes:

~Austin

[AbunDiga909]

let me get this straight. little DIGA gets the thumbs up from his dad for putting all these christian dirtbags in their place, meanwhile the company that builds the boats we own and is the reason for this web site shouldn't mention an issue that deeply affects their business. when my children become instigators, i'm not proud of them, i give em a smack upside the head.

i think SGY articulated the situation perfectly

I'm not trying to put any "dirtbags" in their place, nor am I trying to make a statement. I was merely expressing my personal oppinion on how I took in Ken's speech. I am not trying to instigate anything, I'm sorry if I came across that way. What I said was very simple--just a personal statement--nothing meant to put anyone down or in "their place."

[AbunDiga909]

yes, SGY and niagara rob have seconded my point, i find it offensive that austin states his religious background, and at the same time kicks meloon for mentioning his and McNew's. what a double standard!! and daddy says horray!? wow.
i can't figure out why daddy assumes that Austin might be afraid to admit his Jewishness, and that he is good for overcoming that. Do you two assume that others automatically will hate you? Do you go around assuming that the world is anti-semitic, and are surprised if someone isn't? get the chip off your shoulder. we are not nazis. we are just glad to be christians.
Jn 3:16

No, you have it wrong, speck... first off, what my dad says has nothing to do with what I say. We don't plan our posts together, and this isn't the first time I'm a little pissed about it.

Anyway, let me respond to what you said, for a moment... I don't think you got my point of my first post. Maybe after you read my long rant above, you will see where I was coming from. I'm a little frustrated on how people are over-thinking what I say here and there and think I have a hidden meaning or hatred when I don't. The whole point in mentioning my religion was just to show that I am NOT Christian. I could have said anything, Hindu, Muslim, whatever.. all I needed to get across was that I am trying constantly to be successful in the world of business; and the fact that a positive trait for a business man in Ken's mind is CHRISTIANITY (i.e. NOT Judaism), is what I find dissapointing/offensive/rude/arrogant/selfish/whatever-you-want-to-call it. I AM NOT THE ONE SAYING JEWS ARE GREAT OR THAT I THINK JEWS ARE BETTER AT BUSINESS!!

Let me make a quick analogy that I think all of you can understand. Lets say: I'm a black man in NYC trying working very hard all my life to to be the CEO of, uhh, lets say, Correct Craft. I work since I'm 8 in becomming interested in the industry and learning the tircks and trade of the boats--the ins and outs. Now, I hear that a CEO of my dream-company is retiring, and that a man says he was a great business man, a great WHITE business man. What am I to think about that.. I think you can get the rest from there...

Sorry if this does not go over well with some of you. Hope all goes well...

~Austin

[Madhat78]

wow it's amazing how much bull people have to say about a little release... GET OVER IT... Everyone is entitled to their own option... Grow Up...

[Hollywood]

So, when I hear a rep. from one of the greatest companies I LOOK UP to, hear him saying that someone being a great religious Christian has anything to do with being such a great business leader, I get a little discouraged, to say the least.

This is entirely not true. Maybe you should drop out of economics and go back to reading class.

What he said was kinda rude, I thought. Why do I care what he thinks about religion? Why should I care about what he thinks about religion?

Obviously you do care, and you're the only one that can figure out why. I think speck is on to something though.

Someone said they're out to convert a few, or may convert a few as a plus. I DON'T WANT TO BE CONVERTED! Who are they to tell me what religion to be?!

Do you get your panties all bundled up when Boy Scouts ask you to buy M&Ms also? Maybe you should get your dad to go buy an MC so you won't have to deal with all this drama.

[patoloco]

So what I think everyone is really trying to say is....we wish Terry well for all of his contributions and hope that the new leader will influence the company to bring back colored decks and eradicate tribal graphics from every future drawing board.

[speck]

ya, enough said