My experience with the GS20

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  • tmb
    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
    • Mar 2004
    • 616

    • Midwest

    • '22 GS 22 ‘12 200

    My experience with the GS20

    I was fortunate enough to be able to attend the GS20 do event up at Silver Sprays private lake yesterday. A little background on how I ride: I mostly surf and slalom which I do behind my 2012 210. For slalom I run at 15 off and surfing I have 750's plumbed into the factory tanks and will throw another 400lb sac in on the port seat if we only have 2 people in the boat.

    The fit and finish of the GS20 is what you would expect from a new Nautique. It is a beautiful boat inside and out. The storage is awesome compared to the 210 (especially the newer 210's") and you would never guess that it's a foot shorter, there is plenty of room. The tower is a little shorter (I think) that my 210 and is pushed more to the stern. With 4 tower speakers you have to contort your body a little to pull boards in and out of the racks unless you sit on your knees on the seat. With only 2 tower speakers you should be fine. There is sea deck wrapped all over this boat which makes getting in from the bow or stern very nice. The transom seats will be great if you are just floating on the water or are instructing someone in the water. Now on to the performance. I'll be honest and say that I was concerned/disappointed when I saw a picture of the surf wake online as it looked very short. I was told not worry about the looks because it has great push. When I got in the boat to surf I was disappointed to learn that the private lake max depth is 10'. Anyone that surfs knows you need at least 15' or your wake will wash out. To my surprise, I was able to surf at the very end of my surf rope in 6-10' of water. They are right when they say it has a lot of push. It wasn't tall/steep so it felt different than my 210 but I guarantee I can't surf at the end of my rope in 10' of water in my 210. I then transitioned to slalom at 15' off. I was very tentative to ski hard because its a 4500lb V drive but the slalom wake was comparable if not better than my 210. It's shaped a little different so it feels different crossing but I didn't have any complaints. The only thing I wasn't very excited about was the base of the tower. It is very small and doesn't look like it belongs on a Nautique. I'm guessing they had to do this to allow the tower to fold into the boat. I'm not ready to cut a check as I want to drive (we weren't allowed to drive the boat at the event) and test boat in deep water with "real" lake conditions but I'm pretty stoked.

    On a side note. The people from Nautique were first class as always. Thomas Bates, Adam Wensink, Matt Rini, and Shaun Murray couldn't have been more friendly and informative. Here's an embarrassing story for you....we check in and are walking back to my truck to get our gear when I guy walks up in a big floppy hat, sunglasses, and introduces himself as Shaun. I introduce myself and ask if he works for Silver Spray (the local Nautique dealer) to which he responds "No, I'm a Nautique athlete". I then ask where he lives, we make a little more small talk, and as we turn to walk away I see him take off his hat and then I recognize it's offing Shaun Murray. I walk back to my car utterly embarrassed. I grab my gear and make my way back to him to apologize. Instead of having the attitude like he couldn't believe I didn't recognize him, he was beyond cool with it. We shot the **** for 15 minutes, took a picture with him, and then watched him shred on the GS20. Absolutely sick to watch him in person. When we were leaving he walked over to get our thoughts on the boat and say goodbye (he even laughed when I made another joke about him working for the local Nautique dealer). He is what every professional athlete should be like and I'm glad Nautique sponsors him.


    8/14 Update
    My dealer was able to get one in this past Friday for me to demo again in real lake conditions. It was just me, wife, and salesman and I thought the wake surf wake was better than my listed 210 (750 plumbed on top of hard tanks). It didn't seem as big visually but has more push. I'm sure this will only be improved with some additional ballast or people in the boat.

    I'm not so sure on the ski wake. There is some serious pop that I'm not used to and I slalom my 210 all the time. It could just be me using poor form because it looks intimidating (at least I hope that's the case).

    Below are some pics. I think the surf wave would have lengthened out with some more speed. We were at 10.8. The green deck is the GS20 and the Grey/Blue is my 2012 210.

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    Last edited by tmb; 08-14-2016, 09:10 PM. Reason: Added pics
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  • MikeC
    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
    • Apr 2007
    • 535

    • Georgia

    • 1999 Ski Nautique (Python powered) 2017 GS22 (sold) 2005 SV211 (sold)

    #2
    You say the ski wake is comparable to your 210, just curious how that is and how it compares to say the 200 Sport. I noticed that in their videos they always cut away just as the skier is about to cross the wake, so there's no way to see how the bump effects the ski.

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    • tmb
      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
      • Mar 2004
      • 616

      • Midwest

      • '22 GS 22 ‘12 200

      #3
      I've only skied each one once but I can tell you the GS20 15' off wake is **** of a lot better than the Sport 200 15' off wake because of the rooster tail. I was told that the GS20 isn't that good at 22' off but all other lengths get very good.

      I guess there were some people at the event that have Sport 200's and they said the GS20 skies just as good.
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      '12 SAN 210 TE Black/Masters Blue
      '09 SAN 210 TE Black/Fury Red
      '08 Air 216 TE
      '02 Air 216
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      '89 MC Prostar 190

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      • Outdoorjp
        • Jul 2016
        • 178

        • Carlsbad

        • 2011 SAN team 210

        #4
        We surf in 10' of water every day and I get a 15' pocket to ride in no rope
        210 2011 with suck gate.

        Appreciate your write up. We have been considering a gs20 for some time but wanted to ride in one first.
        I have to admit I have never ever thought of slalom behind a 210 but want to try now.


        One big question for you. Is the gs20 a 50k better boat than are 210's? Diffrence in current market values.

        Thanks for your response.

        (It's probably closer to 12' pocket in 10' of water )
        Last edited by Outdoorjp; 08-07-2016, 10:00 PM.

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        • seveet
          • Oct 2014
          • 185

          • Muskegon, MI

          • 2015 SAN 230

          #5
          Was the surf wake with stock ballast? How many people in the boat with surfing and skiing? How much gas was in the boat with surfing and ski. 10 ft of water is disappointing. Thx for the write up. It looks like a potentially nice combo.

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          • tmb
            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
            • Mar 2004
            • 616

            • Midwest

            • '22 GS 22 ‘12 200

            #6
            Originally posted by Outdoorjp View Post
            We surf in 10' of water every day and I get a 15' pocket to ride in no rope
            210 2011 with suck gate.

            Appreciate your write up. We have been considering a gs20 for some time but wanted to ride in one first.
            I have to admit I have never ever thought of slalom behind a 210 but want to try now.


            One big question for you. Is the gs20 a 50k better boat than are 210's? Diffrence in current market values.

            Thanks for your response.

            (It's probably closer to 12' pocket in 10' of water )
            We probably weren't even in 10' it was closer 6-8. At one point I could touch. I was riding without the rope but I use it to judge how far back I can go and stay in the pocket. I could get all the way to the end of my rope without a problem and the sweet spot seemed to be further back than my sacked out 210.

            I'm sorry but I don't understand your question regarding the 50k difference. I believe the GS20 is 4k more than a new 210. With that being said, I'm not sure why you would want a 210 but I still want to ride the boat in normal lake conditions before saying that with confidence.
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            '12 SAN 210 TE Black/Masters Blue
            '09 SAN 210 TE Black/Fury Red
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            '02 Air 216
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            '89 MC Prostar 190

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            • tmb
              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
              • Mar 2004
              • 616

              • Midwest

              • '22 GS 22 ‘12 200

              #7
              Originally posted by seveet View Post
              Was the surf wake with stock ballast? How many people in the boat with surfing and skiing? How much gas was in the boat with surfing and ski. 10 ft of water is disappointing. Thx for the write up. It looks like a potentially nice combo.
              Yes the wake surf was stock ballast (1850) with 4 people in the boat for both surfing and skiing. I don't know how much gas was in the boat but I was the first rider of the day so it was probably close to full.
              '18 SAN 210 Reef Blue/Admiral Blue Metal Flake
              '12 SAN 210 TE Black/Masters Blue
              '09 SAN 210 TE Black/Fury Red
              '08 Air 216 TE
              '02 Air 216
              '98 Sport Nautique
              '89 MC Prostar 190

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              • Shockthis
                • Mar 2013
                • 302

                • Christina Lake BC

                • 2021 centurion ri245

                #8
                TMB does your 210 have Nss? I know on our 210 I can surf to the end of the rope in 10 ft of water. We have a bow sac under the front seats as well as the 750s in the rear corners. How is the wakeboard wake on the gs20? That would be my biggest concern as I mostly wakeboard.

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                • tmb
                  Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 616

                  • Midwest

                  • '22 GS 22 ‘12 200

                  #9
                  I don't have NSS so I'm only comparing it to a stock ballast, 750's plumbed in on top of ballast, bow sac, and 5+ people in boat or a fat sac on seat.

                  Sorry but I don't wakeboard so I didn't pay much attention to how it looked. Shaun Murray sure made it look nice though!
                  '18 SAN 210 Reef Blue/Admiral Blue Metal Flake
                  '12 SAN 210 TE Black/Masters Blue
                  '09 SAN 210 TE Black/Fury Red
                  '08 Air 216 TE
                  '02 Air 216
                  '98 Sport Nautique
                  '89 MC Prostar 190

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                  • Outdoorjp
                    • Jul 2016
                    • 178

                    • Carlsbad

                    • 2011 SAN team 210

                    #10
                    Originally posted by tmb View Post

                    We probably weren't even in 10' it was closer 6-8. At one point I could touch. I was riding without the rope but I use it to judge how far back I can go and stay in the pocket. I could get all the way to the end of my rope without a problem and the sweet spot seemed to be further back than my sacked out 210.

                    I'm sorry but I don't understand your question regarding the 50k difference. I believe the GS20 is 4k more than a new 210. With that being said, I'm not sure why you would want a 210 but I still want to ride the boat in normal lake conditions before saying that with confidence.
                    Your feedback is great.

                    I needed to word my question better.

                    Are 2011,2012 boats resell is about 40- 50k less than what a new gs20 is going to cost.

                    Do you belive the new gs20 is worth 40-50k more or wait till next years used gs20 market, and not get hit as bad?

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                    • Shockthis
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 302

                      • Christina Lake BC

                      • 2021 centurion ri245

                      #11
                      It would be interesting to for someone to give feedback that has a 210 with nss .I am hoping they keep the 210 if turns out that it surfs and wakeboards better.

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                      • NautiqueJeff
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                        #12
                        210 is not going away in 2017.
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                        • tmb
                          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 616

                          • Midwest

                          • '22 GS 22 ‘12 200

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Outdoorjp View Post

                          Your feedback is great.

                          I needed to word my question better.

                          Are 2011,2012 boats resell is about 40- 50k less than what a new gs20 is going to cost.

                          Do you belive the new gs20 is worth 40-50k more or wait till next years used gs20 market, and not get hit as bad?
                          Remember that I've only ridden one time on a private ski lake that was 6-10' deep but for me, I would not give $40k plus my 2012 210 for a GS20. The GS20 seems like an awesome boat but I really like my 210. I like new boats and have been waiting for this boat but my number is probably around $25k. If that can't happen I will probably just wait and see what kind of changes they make for the 2018 GS20 (I hate buying the first year model year of anything) and go from there. If I was in a 211, Super Sport, Sport 200, I would almost definitely feel the cost difference would be worth getting into a GS20. If I didn't have a boat and was looking, I would definitely buy a GS20 and it would be new (just because I love new boats and my wife is anal about colors) but if I didn't have the funds or just wanted to spend less, I would probably wait and buy a used one next year. Please remember that this is just my opinion, there will probably be a lot of people that trade take big hits on 2016's to get into this boat. It really is a sweet ride but everyone has their number!

                          Did I make sense with that ramble?
                          Last edited by tmb; 08-08-2016, 10:39 AM.
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                          • tmb
                            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 616

                            • Midwest

                            • '22 GS 22 ‘12 200

                            #14
                            Originally posted by NautiqueJeff View Post
                            210 is not going away in 2017.
                            Did my post make it sound like it was? Never intended if that's the case. 210 is definitely still available for 17.
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                            • jharris
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 243

                              • Michigan

                              • 2022 G23

                              #15
                              Originally posted by NautiqueJeff
                              210 is not going away in 2017.
                              Is there any word if the new Linc system with the helm control and touch screen will make it to the 210 or will all this be exclusive to the G/GS series.


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