surf wave advice needed 230, 23 LSV etc

[DocPhil]

DocPhil,

Maybe I misread it, but it seems that cedarcreek216 was saying the same thing you are saying. When he said "drag" I think he's referring to the down force that is created by dragging the wedge behind the prop. I used to have a 23LSV and I agree that there is a lot of bow lift with the wedge down, but I have to admit that there is a lot of bow rise with my 210 if I don't put some weight in the bow.

IDK. It seemed as if he was saying he doesn't need bow weight because of how NSS works. But why didn't the X-30 need it? NSS and Gen2 are totally different.

The only boat I have seen that ABSOLUTELY has to have bow weight is the LSV. Sure, some boats might benefit. But the only one where it is essential is the Malibu. And it is not just the 23 LSV. Pretty much every new Malibu with the power wedge II (which is 22% bigger than the old wedge) has to have it.

[cedarcreek216]

Kind of saying the same thing. NSS and surf gate in no way, in my stupid mind, use the same technology to create the wave. Maybe the same, very basic idea, but way different methods. Either way, no need to argue about it, my point was really that most NSS equipped boats don't have a lot of bow rise and don't need a ton of bow weight, and for sure no exposed bow weight.


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[DocPhil]

NSS and surf gate in no way, in my stupid mind, use the same technology to create the wave.


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Not according to the lawsuit that Nautique settled. Okay I'm done now.

I see your point though.

Owing a Malibu is so annoying in this respect. Basically you agree that you will never use your bow. Let's agree that this feature of Malibu sucks regardless of what the cause is.

[doug69]

For what is it worth.... I have a 2016 230 and friend with a 2015 vlx. He has a ton of extra weight on the boat 3000lbs or so). I have the 750s in the back as well as the bow sac under the seats and stock belly tank so Around 2000-2500 lbs. His bow rides super high compared to mine and I find you really have to find the wheel when towing. I find my wave is higher and steeper and his wave is " thicker". I prefer mine as I find the steeper wave is easier to do jumps. This does not apply to the older 230 but I also love the surf pipe. His boat pumps out significant exhaust steam at swim platform and my nautique has none at all. Both great wakes but nautique is way easier to drive due to bow height and steering wheel fight. Not sure if any of this applies to the model years you are looking at.


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[Neverenough]

Couldn't agree more Doug! I have friends with 15 MBs and 14 244 Centurions. Nautique wave is easier to setup and far more adjustable. Once you've have it set up up save it and the next time you

[Neverenough]

Couldn't agree more Doug! I have friends with 15 MBs and 14 244 Centurions. Nautique wave is easier to setup and far more adjustable. Once you've have it set up up save it and the next time you go out its there. Select that user and go have fun!

[Hugo11]

Not according to the lawsuit that Nautique settled. Okay I'm done now.

I see your point though.

Owing a Malibu is so annoying in this respect. Basically you agree that you will never use your bow. Let's agree that this feature of Malibu sucks regardless of what the cause is.

This is such a huge issue for me it's partially determining my boat purchase. To give up the bow is unacceptable. Percentage wise the boat becomes a lot smaller not to mention how spacious and plush the Nautique bow is. On another note, i was able to drive a 2014 230 last night. 750's in the rear, all tanks full, no additional bow ballast. Not sure of surf settings. Bow rise was much, much less than my VLX. I was able to drive comfortably in the seat. I tried the bolster and it even felt too high. ON my VLX, i am either standing or sitting on the top back of the seat.

[Hugo11]

For what is it worth.... I have a 2016 230 and friend with a 2015 vlx. He has a ton of extra weight on the boat 3000lbs or so). I have the 750s in the back as well as the bow sac under the seats and stock belly tank so Around 2000-2500 lbs. His bow rides super high compared to mine and I find you really have to find the wheel when towing. I find my wave is higher and steeper and his wave is " thicker". I prefer mine as I find the steeper wave is easier to do jumps. This does not apply to the older 230 but I also love the surf pipe. His boat pumps out significant exhaust steam at swim platform and my nautique has none at all. Both great wakes but nautique is way easier to drive due to bow height and steering wheel fight. Not sure if any of this applies to the model years you are looking at.


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Thanks for your reply, I have had the same experience.

[Hugo11]

Piggyback 750s, 500 piggy under bow seats that's never full. Then adjust with speed NSS and hydro gate. I'll probably not buy a G now. I don't think you can beat the 230.

Nautique please put a cooler in the floor of the 230!!!!

How do you monitor the fill rate of your piggy back bow sack?

[Neverenough]

Pull vent hose from belly tank to fill bag and then add vent to bag to exit boat. Works great!

[markj]

Pull vent hose from belly tank to fill bag and then add vent to bag to exit boat. Works great!

He's asking how it's monitored, not installed. Hugo, the ballast system gauges are based on time like how long the pumps are on is how full it should be. Make sense? If you add additional ballast, whether it be in front or rear, the gauges are not worth much. Most people just listen for "the sound" to know their ballast is empty and wait to see the overflow vents peeing when they're full. If you want to adjust the levels after everything is full, the gauges are usefull for that so you know about how much you're letting out. I'm sure someone else can explain it better.

[Neverenough]

I miss read your post. I just fill until I get the wave I want for bow, and watch bag under seat to be sure and not overfill. Rears just pump outside when full. After you set the levels I think the system works off of time or how long the pump runs.

[seveet]

1) In regards to addition ballast at purchase, the 750's in the rear are a must. I am not sure the IBS is necessary. You could always throw a extra sac up front and see what you think. If you like the extra weight, add the IBS later. To be honest, I rarely use mine now. Although I am not sure how full it really is as it does not completely drain (see below). I just fill the belly tank until it registers at full on the link screen and go. Once you add the additional ballast, the link screen isn't accurate as it only registers up to 2100 pounds. You know the tanks are full when they spit out the vents. At that point they are helpful for knowing how much I drained out. IE, the offset I use for the regular side wave.

2) If you do add an IBS, Y the fill and drain tubing and run a limb to each side. It is U shaped and won't completely drain unless you lift up the side opposite the fill and drain tube to get the water over to the other side.

3) Doc, I agree with your comments in regards to the wedge and surf gate. I will add that I think some of it is also do to hull design as there is very little bow rise when taking off without ballast in the boat and at higher speeds. Also, to me NSS lists the boat slightly when deployed. I did not experience this with surf gate.

4) Did you get to surf the wave on your demo?

5) Nautique is the best boat that I have ever been in from a drivers standpoint.

[markj]

I was REALLY on the fence when it came to ordering the IBS because of what I read on this forum and I didn't want to give up any storage either. In the end, I'm glad I did it. It makes a difference. After putting two 12" subs under my observer's seat, storage space is at a premium and I'd still rather have the IBS than more storage. I think the important thing is making sure you order the IBS custom so you don't have drainage issues. Don't just try to squeeze some existing "off the shelf" shape in there. That way it also won't bulge your front seats up when it's full. Anyone interested can PM me and I'll give you the measurements. Same goes for the rears. I think I have the winning combo there as well. Custom sacks really don't cost much more than generic sizes IMO.