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I'm new to the forum and purchasing my first boat. I have two small kids that will be learning to wakeboard/ wakesurf, ect. I am looking at 2015/2016 SAN 230 or Malibu 23 LSV. I have demoed both boats and I am currently leaning towards the 230 because the fit and finish is so much nicer IMO, but I have read a few thing about having to push the boat up to 23 mph to get a clean wakeboard wake, and that concerns me with with my kids. Can anyone give me some insight that owns a more current model 230?
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Lots of former Malibu guys here on the forum. Fit and finish are definitely better on Nautique not to mention less trips to the dealer for warranty claims. I have 210 hours on my 2015 G23 and one item has been warrantied to date.2015 G23 550
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Third nautique and have never had a warranty claim. Knock on wood!! I have two friends wth late model lsv and the wave and wake is a little cleaner. I'm not a profesional or even have that much knowledge of wakeboarding but when riding in their boats the wave both surf and wakeboard the top of the wave has little to no wash. Main complaint about my 230 and why they both have LSV. However they both always say how much nicer fit finish and feel is over the LSV is. I agree the BU rattles more and feels cheaper inside than Nautique. For me that little difference in wave or wake look doesn't change the feel of the wave and in no way would I have one because it feels cheap in comparison. I'd check out how they both drive while loaded also. LSV has considerable more bow rise while the 230 I don't even use the flip up bolster to see over dash. Nautique wave while not as pretty I do believe is far more tunable for surf.
Im biased and have loved all my Nautiques. When my wife and I get in other friends boats and we have just about every brand in our group it's just isn't as classy or as comfortable and feels thrown together or cheap in comparison. Not too mention when we do go surf we almost always end up in our boat. It's more comfortable and just really user friendly.
Hope this didn't make it worse but if your only buying a pretty wave then get yourself the LSV it's cleaner looking for sure.Comment
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Noticed your in Texas. If your in DFW message me and we can take your kid out and try it. Also reason I started in a Nautique is because of my dealer. Phil and his team at Buxton are the best in the business. Search Buxton and you'll see.Comment
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You can clean up the wave with some experimentation.
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2014 SANTE. NSS. Pro balllast. Boatmate trailer
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If your primary goal is low speed wakeboard wake, then the LSV is the better boat. By most other measures, the 230 is the better boat. The 230 can do a clean wakeboard wake down to about 20.5 with ballast drained. The LSV without ballast can go down to more like 17. This is because the LSV has a flatter hull that produces a rampier wakeboard wake which personally I do not like, but it has that advantage of being less weight sensitive and capable of clean wakes at low speed. The 230 wake is firmer and steeper but always has a little wash on top and will completely wash out below 20mph. The 230 is also more sensitive to how weight/people are positioned in the boat. As others have said, Nautique is better fit/finish and just a more 'solid' boat. I've not surfed behind an LSV, but the 230 surf wave is great and highly configurable for anyone to ride.Comment
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Since you like everything about the Nautique except low speed wake what about grabbing 14-15 g instead ? Keeps everything you like and gives you low speed wake.
dave pretty much nailed. And the bow rise neverenough mentions only gets worse with extra weight. The one thing I will add. The 23LSV needs crap ton of weight to get the wakeboard wake making due to its flatter hull. The Nautique will not require nearly as much. Same goes for surf wakes.Last edited by swatguy; 08-27-2016, 01:57 AM.Comment
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I actually looked at the G and I think it's just too much boat for me for my first boat. Also, I would probably have to drop down to a 13 G to get it in my budget, and I'm not too keen on getting a boat or a vehicle for that matter that is the first year of a big redesign.
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Be prepared to give up your bow in a 23 LSV
Every guy on TMC with a respectable surf wave runs a bow sac on the seats. This is primarily due to the need to counteract the pull of the wedge.
There was some debate on whether you need bow weight on a 230 and there are some guys that run it and some that don't. However, it can be stored away on the 230. On the LSV, there is nowhere to put the weight so it has to go on the seats. And yes I have owned a 2014 23 LSV.Comment
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I have a 2016 230 and have a friend friend with 2015 lsv. We almost only surf and the lsv does have terrible bow rise. Lsv has great surf wake. 230 is steeper but the lsv is wider. I like the 230 but down to personal preference. I don't care for the big touch screens on the lsv. They look fancy but with the bow rise it just gets in the view even more. I also found I had to fight the wheel way more on the lsv and turning is easier and tighter in the 239. Driving the 230 surfing is dream compared to lsv. I also hate carpet compared to sea deck. Lsv has the board clamps which is the only thing I wish the 230 had. I know you are asking about the wakeboard wake which I can't comment on but that is my two cents on the rest.
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I have owned 4 Nautique and love the way they drive along with fit and finish they are number #1. My last boat was a 2009 Nautique 230 with NSS on it.
Many people have been having issues with the Malibu's especially the screens they look really great, but reliability is a different story from what I have been reading.
Malibu touch screen issues.
http://www.themalibucrew.com/index.p...issues/&page=2
This might be some good info to look at as well and was getting some great feedback on Supra, Malibu and Nautique.
http://www.wakeworld.com/forum/showthread.php?t=806814
Much of it comes down to dealer like someone else that makes a big factor as well.
I decided to go with a Supra SE 450 they have come along way.
http://www.supraboats.com/2016-supra-se-450-550
Good luck on your decision.
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I narrowed my shopping down to a new 23LSV, a new 230, and a used G23. The LSV is a pretty boat and drives nice. But there is absolutely not doubt in my mind it is not built like the Nautique. Build quality was huge for my family since we were coming from a Regal 22 with impeccable finish. I loved the way the 230 drove as well. Both can create all the wake/wave that 99% of people need. However, in the end, we went with the G23. Simply put, it is the best boat on any lake. There is nothing it can't do. Period. We paid a similar price for our 2014 G as we would have for a new 2015 LSV or 230.
Get the G and know you made no compromises.Comment
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Thanks a lot 72Miles, I haven't been able to get that last comment out of my head. The only issue I have with the G23 is towing it long distances with my 1/2 ton truck. My home lake is 5 min from my house, but I plan to tow it to lakes in East Texas quite often. What do you tow yours with, or can anyone share with me how it tows behind a 1/2 ton. I have a 15 GMC crewcab.
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Well towing is a valid concern and I have no intel for you there. Mine sits on my boatlift at Lake Tillery. Look on the bright side, the G will give you a good excuse to go buy a used Excursion!Comment
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I've got a Ram 1500 with the Hemi and it tows our G23 just fine. We've also towed it with an ecoboost F150 through the mountains with no issues. The weight difference between a 230 and G23 is less than 1,000 lbs.Originally posted by KrisKraft View Post
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