Dispel the FUD

[Jeb1974]

Little things that make three-event skiers chuckle:

I've got a 23' boat thats loaded down and weighs 20,000 lbs. and I'm worried its going to turn like a pig a slow speeds.

Just try and run for cover when when the witch of November comes stealing'. Hehe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vST6hVRj2A

The G turning radius is extremely wide even when unweighted though. I'm able to adjust to it just fine but my wife sometimes has issues and it's definitely takes more skill to dock in our relatively narrow canal. It would never affect my decision to buy another - it's just the physics of driving a tug boat that moves a lot of water. lol

[lucky7t]

Sorry to hijack but what's a double up?


Sent from my iPad using PLT Nautique

[Kenv]

csherbo....another thing is YES...it's takes a bit longer to get back to the rider when surfing....because you don't want to sub the front after driving through your own Tsunami!!!. Also, I would go with the G23 just for Sail and Ski alone. Great dealership. I'm down in SA but went to the Austin show and know several of the salesmen. Good luck with your choice and have a great summer with whatever boat you choose....but get the Nauti....LOL

[csherbo]

Sorry to hijack but what's a double up?

It is when you turn around and cross your own wake, and the rider times it to hit the wake when it is double the height due to the combination of the two wakes. They used to be more common when the regular wakes were smaller, but now with the G wake being so big, not as many riders do it for the extra big air.

[csherbo]

csherbo....another thing is YES...it's takes a bit longer to get back to the rider when surfing....because you don't want to sub the front after driving through your own Tsunami!!!. Also, I would go with the G23 just for Sail and Ski alone. Great dealership. I'm down in SA but went to the Austin show and know several of the salesmen. Good luck with your choice and have a great summer with whatever boat you choose....but get the Nauti....LOL

I certainly like Sail and Ski, and frequent the pro shop. It would be a bonus to have them servicing the boat.

[DLafont]

Bashing the competition is such a deadbeat sales tactic. Talk about your own products' features, build a relationship with the customer. That's how it should be done. Anywho, I think the consensus is pretty clear that the guy was blowing smoke. In the end, test all the models you're interested in and decide for yourself.

[Guntersville230]

I have demo'd several G's but do not yet own one. I have in the past been a Malibu guy and have a 2016 VLX. There is not a boat around with 2500lbs of water plus crew that is not a pig at slow speed including my Malibu. My Malibu will porpoise badly with any rear weight bias. Two people sitting on the bench seat forward of the engine will do it. Because of that I really looked for it in the G's. I could not make either the G21 or 23 porpoise despite trying. The G21 had to much spray for me so it was dropped from my search. The 23 actually overall handled better then I expected. The boat was quieter then the Malibu and the stereo stock verses stock was night and day better. The surf wave on the 23 was slightly better then my Malibu however that's comparing the Malibu with two 800lb sacks in the back and 650lbs in the bow. That leaves me with no bow seating and virtually no storage. The G23 was stock ballast only.
One last point to consider. The G's both exhibited almost no bow rise. My Malibu and the 23 LSV have a ton of bow rise when weighted for surfing to the point of being dangerous. My wife has to stand to drive the boat at surf speeds. Really loved the visibility out of both G's at all speeds.

I have NO experience with Malibu, but is alot of the bow rise and porpoise due to the wedge? Is that why I have heard the need a ton of bow weight? Not being a hater, just wondering.

[Sailfun]

The porpoise issue is with all ballast empty and the wedge up. Basically just cruising around. The wedge should actually reduce bow rise on acceleration since it goes into a lift mode to help get the boat out of the hole. Once established at surf speed it would then be pulling the stern down. It's highly adjustable however even all the way up the bow is high.

[lucky7t]

I too have a hard time with trash talking your competition. Not real sure it's a positive sales technique and makes the salesman look bad.


Sent from my iPad using PLT Nautique

[Beg4wake]

If you're looking for the best wakeboard/wakesurf boat (meaning both in one boat), there's no other boat to even consider. Though the G isn't the sharpest turning boat, especially when loaded, it does just fine if you know how to drive. The H6 does perfectly fine in these boats! Mine has NEVER struggled, even with full ballast and 8 adults (ranging from 140-250 each). The wakeboard wake is unbeatable IMO. The spray reducers in the front don't effect the wake at all, mainly bc they aren't even in the water hardly when at speed for wakeboarding! The surf wave is plenty adjustable, though not as much as the Centurion Ri237. However the wave is always good on the G! The centurion wave may actually be a little better, but you will pay for it with boat quality, wakeboard wake quality, and functionality of a boat! I love everything about my G! From interior functionality, to performance, to ease of maintenance! I was solely a MC guy until I test drove a G last season when I was looking into new boats....The G won my vote, hands down, no questions asked. Other dealers are just mad because they aren't selling them!

[csherbo]

If you're looking for the best wakeboard/wakesurf boat (meaning both in one boat), there's no other boat to even consider. Though the G isn't the sharpest turning boat, especially when loaded, it does just fine if you know how to drive. The H6 does perfectly fine in these boats! Mine has NEVER struggled, even with full ballast and 8 adults (ranging from 140-250 each). The wakeboard wake is unbeatable IMO. The spray reducers in the front don't effect the wake at all, mainly bc they aren't even in the water hardly when at speed for wakeboarding! The surf wave is plenty adjustable, though not as much as the Centurion Ri237. However the wave is always good on the G! The centurion wave may actually be a little better, but you will pay for it with boat quality, wakeboard wake quality, and functionality of a boat! I love everything about my G! From interior functionality, to performance, to ease of maintenance! I was solely a MC guy until I test drove a G last season when I was looking into new boats....The G won my vote, hands down, no questions asked. Other dealers are just mad because they aren't selling them!

Thank you for the thoughtful reply. The wakeboard wake is the priority for us, so this sounds like the right fit. Hopefully we will get out on a couple of demos in the next few weeks here, and be able to move forward. I agree the other dealers were targeting Nautique because they are top dog, I was just surprised that they would even try to claim the points they were making, which gave me pause. Which I suppose was the point.

[DocPhil]

Everyone pretty much addressed all the questions. It is absolute nonsense. Here are some legit complaints (and they are much less than any other boat I've owned)

1)Unless you get the new clamping racks, the racks suck.

2)the tower design with the bimini is inferior to some of the competition. It just is. Tall guys hit their head on the tower and lowering the tower with the bimini on it is just a PITA. If you don't lower the tower, who cares! I do need to lower mine sometimes and wish it was easier. MC definitely has the market cornered here.

That's it. And this is coming from a guy with extreme OCD that has owned 2 malibu, a MC and a G in the past 4 years. So take that for what it's worth

[Beg4wake]

I will agree with Doc on his points. The tower racks DO suck...however now in 2017 they do have the new clamping Rosewell racks, which IMO are still an inferior design to all other clamping racks, at least by the looks of them. And I can see why many might not like the G's bimini, however I for one prefer it! It gives more clearance than my old XStars bimini did, and the tower folding is WAY easier than my previous boats. However, like Doc stated, MC does own the competition on the folding tower, especially with their power tower option (as long as it never breaks down)!

[Jeb1974]

1. False: We've never had issues with porpoising
2. The motor always seems to be the noisy part in the boat. With the silent exhaust this is the quietest boat I've been in. I don't think foam has much to do with noise.
3. A little truth here. The G does handle like a pig at slow speeds and does turn wider than most. It's never an issue for double ups. Turning radius probably only matters if you're on a private ski lake. A good boat driver can compensate for the handling.
4. We have the old 450 and never have issues with wakeboarding full ballast at 3,300 feet. I've heard the H6 is much better than the old one - the dealer we bought from is ordering more H6 than 550's now when it used to be the other way around. A bigger motor is better if you're adding weight but 2,850 stock is a lot. This also really only applies to wakeboarding - the 450 is probably fine for surfing for 99% of the people.
5. I don't know but will find out next week - riding some 2017's.
6. I've heard the Centurion Ri is the ultimate boat for being able to adjust the surf wake. I figured out what I like on our G23 and haven't changed it. I'm not a die-hard surfer though and a surf snob might think different.

I was in Florida last week and was able to get behind a 2016 G23 and I actually liked the wake better than the 2015. It had more lip to it (more similar to the G21). Now I'm looking forward to an upgrade next year!

We also got out behind a 2016 G21 and it porpoised quite a bit (although we did have some additional weight in the back). I'm guessing the extra couple feet on the G23 prevents this.

[csherbo]

I was in Florida last week and was able to get behind a 2016 G23 and I actually liked the wake better than the 2015. It had more lip to it (more similar to the G21). Now I'm looking forward to an upgrade next year!

We also got out behind a 2016 G21 and it porpoised quite a bit (although we did have some additional weight in the back). I'm guessing the extra couple feet on the G23 prevents this.

Thanks for the update Jeb1974. Really appreciate the follow-up.