Possible new Nautique owner, need HELP!!!

[Jakehere]

I would seriously consider the G23 over the G21.... that extra 2' is quite noticeable in my opinion. The cooler in the floor is also a nice convenience on top of that. Resale on a G23 believe to be better as well plus a 23' boat is by far the #1 selling boat in the industry. Even with a smaller crew size the G23 would be much more comfortable if is within your budget...

The G23 is bigger than G21 and it's noticeable when in it, and the G25 is ginormous. I agree totally.

I don't agree on resale value though and I'll explain. I think most people end up paying around $135k for a new G23 w trailer (not including tax) plus or minus (25% off of MSRP). Maybe more maybe less, Ballpark. And G21's are about $110k new w trailer, ballpark same thing. Let's call it a $25k price difference spread. Sometimes better deals can be had on G21s because its not the hot boat like the G23 is, but let's just stick with $25k spread.

Combing through onlyinboards and internet for used boats for sale, the $25k spread between the boats narrows down considerably after just two short years. Ex. used 2015 G23's go for $100k-$120k right now and used 2015 G21's are $90k-$105k right now online. Max it's a $15k spread high price vs high price. Your new G23 just depreciated an additional $10k or maybe $15k vs. your buddy who got a G21 apples to apples. Over time, they both settle at the bottom around $85k. You will lose all of the $25k premium you paid for your G23 over your buddy who got a G21 if you wait long enough. All of these numbers are even worse when you look at the G25. G25's are actually a steal used you can get one for $100k when the MSRP was $180k.

But with that being said all of these boats aren't a wise financial decision, they're for fun. Get what makes you happy. I"m just pointing out that I found out that the G21 has the highest resale value of all the G boats. Plus I can tow it more comfortably with a half ton and it's a few inches lower on the trailer and it fits in my garage where the G23 and G25 wouldn't.

[DeanT]

When I was shopping for a boat I found when you get down to the lowest price there was a $10k increase on the G25 vs the G23 (never looked at the G21) boat to boat with the same options. I went with the 25 not because of resale thoughts, but feel that the 25 in theory should put out a longer stronger wake for surfing if you put enough weight in it. I love to surf and the bigger and longer the more room to get around and have fun. I will find out this spring.

[Wake.BC]

Wizard lake doesn't have a single new g21... there must be a reason.

From what I've heard the price comparison between the two just wasn't big enough to make the 21 worth it.


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[DeanT]

That makes sense.

[nyryan2001]

Thanks for the info guys, I dont have a huge crew with us all the time so the Nautique guy said the G23, being bigger, needed more people to sink it in order to produce almost exact surf wave as G21, so he recommended the G21.

Nautique Leadership, hunt this salesman down and give him a reprimand for putting his sales goal above the customer's interests.

If you are relying on a couple 150-200 body weights for your primary surf wave, we aren't even having a serious conversation.

arguably best surfwave avail?

G23/25

1100s plumbed in the trunks 25-80% full.

3-500lbs lead or ballast in the bow.

11-6 -12mph

[Schwiiing]

I would have to agree with nyryan. That salesman needs talked to. Would guess he saw a slight sitter at g21-g23 price difference and was throwing out anything to make the sale.... shame shame.... should not happen at a reputable Nautique dealer. Get the truth here and set that man straight!


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[Cpan13]

If surfing is your main priority I'd lean toward a G23. Wakesurf boat of the year 3 times in a row now I think, for good reason.

With that being said, I own a G21 because wakeboarding is my main priority and I like the more vertical wake of the G21 vs the G23 and I really didn't need the extra size.

The surf wave on the G21 is huge but short. I weight mine exactly like Jakehere said and it's awesome for the little bit of surfing I do but the G23 stock wave is definitely better.

[Bottlefedsi]

Nautique Leadership, hunt this salesman down and give him a reprimand for putting his sales goal above the customer's interests.

If you are relying on a couple 150-200 body weights for your primary surf wave, we aren't even having a serious conversation.

arguably best surfwave avail?

G23/25

1100s plumbed in the trunks 25-80% full.

3-500lbs lead or ballast in the bow.

11-6 -12mph

LOL, I love it, you wanna know the worst part about it........the guy was a factory rep from Nautique.

[wakerider107]

LOL, I love it, you wanna know the worst part about it........the guy was a factory rep from Nautique.

Makes sense - I've met a lot of factory reps who are poor sales people. They are better at dealer support rather than speaking directly to customers.

At the end of the day, you can't go wrong with the G21. I've put 400 hours on that model and the surf wave is fantastic. Plus, the guys at nautique of orlando are top notch.

[Bottlefedsi]

Makes sense - I've met a lot of factory reps who are poor sales people. They are better at dealer support rather than speaking directly to customers.

At the end of the day, you can't go wrong with the G21. I've put 400 hours on that model and the surf wave is fantastic. Plus, the guys at nautique of orlando are top notch.

I gotta be honest I am getting alittle worried about some of the replys, adding weight, draining bow bags, I was hoping the wave would be unreal with just the hard tanks and nothing else. The 17 MXZ with all the tanks and PNP full is so big its almost scary, I was hoping the G21 was the same. I really cant justify moving to the G23, althought I would love to if it wasnt the price of a used Ferrari LOL.

[nyryan2001]

FYI, knowing what I know now.... if I had a great NAUTIQUE dealer... I would not hesitate to to buy a 2-3yr old G23.

dont lose the Forrest for the trees, and don't lose the boat you primarily want because of new boat prices.

Nautiques are so well built, 2-3 yrs old 300hrs is still brand new. Check out Buxton's used G inventory.

nothing against the G21, but if you are buying this to surf, get the best surf boat?

[JoeA]

Malibu makes nice looking boats. Nautique makes boats that have superior fit, finish and high reliability.

Lets talk about the surf system. Nautique provides adjustability with NSS and NCRS. Best system I have used and yes I have been on Centurion Mastercraft, Supra and Malibu. Surfgate is on or off. Yes, you have the wedge but good lord I cant tell you how many problem I've personally had with the wedge. Its a problematic design...just search the web or ask the former Malibu owners on this forum.

I am a former MXZ owner. If it were me I'd buy a used G23 over a new MXZ.

[wakerider107]

I gotta be honest I am getting alittle worried about some of the replys, adding weight, draining bow bags, I was hoping the wave would be unreal with just the hard tanks and nothing else. The 17 MXZ with all the tanks and PNP full is so big its almost scary, I was hoping the G21 was the same. I really cant justify moving to the G23, althought I would love to if it wasnt the price of a used Ferrari LOL.

You dont need to add weight. You dont need to drain the bow bag. People on forums get too technical about their wave. The fact is The G21 with stock ballast will make an incredible surf wave - it's as easy as pushing one button. Don't forget that Malibu was slammed. Probably bags filled all the storage and bow was shooting to the moon and RPM over 4k.
No bow rise
Customizable surf system
Massive storage/all ballast under floor
Touch screen with rotary control (ever use your phone with sunscreen or water on your hands? imagine the Malibu dash)
Better warranty
Better servicing dealership
Manufacturer doesnt have to appease investors (trust me, this effects quality)

None of that can be said for Malibu. I could go all day.

[mlsurfco]

Love the wave on my G21 w stock ballast only. 90% of the time we only fill the back and surf all day... Creates plenty of wave and a huge push that way. (Disclaimer, mine is posted on this site as our crew has gotten big and looking for the extra space of the 23). If it works out great, if not I am more than happy to keep my G21.

[Bottlefedsi]

Thanks for all the great info guys. I did have a chance to demo the G21 the other day and it is an amazing feeling when driving/riding in this boat. The bow rise is almost nill and the sound, even with the smaller H5, is super quiet. I love love love the fit and finish versus the Malibu but the wave on the MXZ is hard to beat and coming from an Axis the interior room on the G21 seemed a bit cramped, that being said, we haved moved on to looking at the G23, as alot of you suggested. I wonder if the G23 wave will be any bigger compared to the G21, remembering what the factory rep said, Im thinking no. I am more confused than ever LOL.