Possible new Nautique owner, need HELP!!!

[Schwiiing]

G21 wave same as G23....???????...... NO.

There is a reason the G23 has been the #1 Surf and Wakeboard Boat of choice for the past 3-4 years! Dont get me wrong, the G21 throws a great wake, as does the G25...... enough for 95% of the riders out there but the G23 is King.

[DeanT]

I have a question about that Schwiing. The way I understand it the G25 has the same hull shape as the G23 but stretched out 2 feet in the middle, if that is true if you put enough weight in the G25 it should put out the same wake but bigger no?

[JoeA]

Thanks for all the great info guys. I did have a chance to demo the G21 the other day and it is an amazing feeling when driving/riding in this boat. The bow rise is almost nill and the sound, even with the smaller H5, is super quiet. I love love love the fit and finish versus the Malibu but the wave on the MXZ is hard to beat and coming from an Axis the interior room on the G21 seemed a bit cramped, that being said, we haved moved on to looking at the G23, as alot of you suggested. I wonder if the G23 wave will be any bigger compared to the G21, remembering what the factory rep said, Im thinking no. I am more confused than ever LOL.

Demo the G23 and I think you'll have a memorable experience. For most people its the right size boat and the wave is epic.

[sgresham]

I have a question about that Schwiing. The way I understand it the G25 has the same hull shape as the G23 but stretched out 2 feet in the middle, if that is true if you put enough weight in the G25 it should put out the same wake but bigger no?

I had a 2016 G25, and I just traded for a 2017 G23 that I have not taken delivery of yet. The way I understand it is that the the G23 has the best wave at stock ballast, but the G25 really gets good with extra ballast. I would agree with this as well. I have 750s in the rear, and just a tiny bit of lead in the front, and the wave on the 25 was really good. I'm putting 1100s in the rear of the 23, and a lot more lead in the front to compensate for the rear weight.

[Bottlefedsi]

I had a 2016 G25, and I just traded for a 2017 G23 that I have not taken delivery of yet. The way I understand it is that the the G23 has the best wave at stock ballast, but the G25 really gets good with extra ballast. I would agree with this as well. I have 750s in the rear, and just a tiny bit of lead in the front, and the wave on the 25 was really good. I'm putting 1100s in the rear of the 23, and a lot more lead in the front to compensate for the rear weight.

Excuse the stupid question but from what I see there is no plug and play on a G right? That being said, do you just hang the pumps over the side to fill the locker bags?

[wakerider107]

Thanks for all the great info guys. I did have a chance to demo the G21 the other day and it is an amazing feeling when driving/riding in this boat. The bow rise is almost nill and the sound, even with the smaller H5, is super quiet. I love love love the fit and finish versus the Malibu but the wave on the MXZ is hard to beat and coming from an Axis the interior room on the G21 seemed a bit cramped, that being said, we haved moved on to looking at the G23, as alot of you suggested. I wonder if the G23 wave will be any bigger compared to the G21, remembering what the factory rep said, Im thinking no. I am more confused than ever LOL.

I bet you demo'd a G21 with only stock ballast and an MXZ that had extra bags filling all the rear and bow storage which is probably 2k over stock ballast for the MXZ.

The G23 wave will be bigger and longer than the G21. It's a completely different hull.

[wakerider107]

Excuse the stupid question but from what I see there is no plug and play on a G right? That being said, do you just hang the pumps over the side to fill the locker bags?

No, there is no plug and play. 2,850lbs all sub floor. For 95% of people, no extra ballast is needed or used on the G series. Being said, if you really felt the need for more weight, throwing pumps over the side is the cheapest options or you can do an integrated system but that will cost a pretty penny.

[Bottlefedsi]

I bet you demo'd a G21 with only stock ballast and an MXZ that had extra bags filling all the rear and bow storage which is probably 2k over stock ballast for the MXZ.

The G23 wave will be bigger and longer than the G21. It's a completely different hull.

The MXZ was with plug and play for sure, the G21 was stock but if I am correct they weight in around the same even with the rear PNP on the MXZ. They did say at Nautique that the G23 was longer but not very much and hardly any bigger, I find that hard to believe as it weighs ruffly 600lbs more. Has anyone put 600lb sumo bags in the back of a G23 to see if the wave got taller like the MXZ?

[NWSurfer]

The MXZ was with plug and play for sure, the G21 was stock but if I am correct they weight in around the same even with the rear PNP on the MXZ. They did say at Nautique that the G23 was longer but not very much and hardly any bigger, I find that hard to believe as it weighs ruffly 600lbs more. Has anyone put 600lb sumo bags in the back of a G23 to see if the wave got taller like the MXZ?

I agree with the others saying the 2016+ G23 doesn't need the extra weight above stock for a great wave, and you need to demo it to appreciate the difference as pics don't tell the whole story with these waves.

The new MXZ hulls only need minimal PNP for really good waves now too but I prefer the stock G23 wave after surfing both back to back. Some 2016+ G23 owners are running a couple hundred pounds of lead to dial in their setup, but the wave gets worse if you sink the swim platform on this boat.

[wakerider107]

The MXZ was with plug and play for sure, the G21 was stock but if I am correct they weight in around the same even with the rear PNP on the MXZ. They did say at Nautique that the G23 was longer but not very much and hardly any bigger, I find that hard to believe as it weighs ruffly 600lbs more. Has anyone put 600lb sumo bags in the back of a G23 to see if the wave got taller like the MXZ?

So they had the same amount of ballast, except the compartments on the MXZ are full and the G had a ton of open storage. More room for ballast if you want or room for 20 surfboards (literally). I bet that MXZ wave was tall but not long at all, especially since the bow was pointed towards the moon. There more to surfing than wave height (like length and driver visibility).
The G has a tune-able surf system - you can create any wave that you like. short, tall, long, barrel, whatever. The G23 is 1.5' longer than the G21 and it makes a big difference in interior space.

[sgresham]

Excuse the stupid question but from what I see there is no plug and play on a G right? That being said, do you just hang the pumps over the side to fill the locker bags?

There is no plug and play, but it wasnt that difficult for my dealer, Buxton Marine, to integrate a system in the rear lockers. The main ballast fills, then the bags in the rear lockers fill. Easy as pie.

[Schwiiing]

Agree with ease of adding extra ballast to oem tanks. Oem fills then added tanks fill.

The G series hull was engineered and designed using the 23' hull. This is why its wake/wave is ideal. Adding extra ballast to the 25 will result in bigger wake/wave however due to the extra 2' of hull, it will not ideally change the length or push. This is where the 23 just rocks.

The 25 is awesome as is the 21 and I cant say I would ever complain about any time spent behind either, but in the G series linup, the 23 is as good as it gets.

[Lake Mabel G21]

Hello everyone, my name is Sean and I am currently an Axis owner looking to upgrade. The boats I am interested in are the 17 MXZ 22 and the 17 G21, has anyone ever compared the 2 boats on the water, I have a great relationship with my local Malibu dealer so I have driven the MXZ quite extensively. I havent had a chance yet to get a G out on the water but in about 2 weeks I will. I was just hoping someone could give me some great info on the G other than the obvious that the dealer has already done. FYI, we pretty much only surf with a 4-7 person crew 8 being tops on a very limited basis. Thanks in advance.

Sean

I went through your exact thought process about a month ago, with the dealers you were probably working with. The Malibu dealer was first up, were very aggressive with their discounts at the boat show on a '17 22 MXZ, and had agreed to the basic terms but their financing guy really, really dropped the ball. I went to Jeff at Orlando Nautiques two weeks later, and he had me sorted out in 3 hours on financing (really not hard for a guy like me) and we tested the G21 which is the perfect boat for us and our usage. Taking delivery on it next week, already said goodbye to our wonderful 2009 MC XStar SS LY6 which Jeff gave us full retail value.

We went G21 because of several reasons- we boat from our backyard on a 450 acre private lake so it's purely for water sport, we never board with more than three or four including the driver, we wanted good wake and good surf, and we don't need huge cooler capacity. The G23 was really never in the discussion, good enough for Byerly, good enough for us.

Things that swung the Nautique to us- dealer experience was more professional overall, boat is locally made, boat has fewer electronics, 2:1 transmission, stout interior that will stand up to use. MXZ is compelling with the bigger bow seating and dual screens at helm, slightly larger cabin overall, comfortable interior.

[Bottlefedsi]

So we pretty much decided on the 17 G23, however, the stick ballast wave for surfing seems alittle weak, has anyone added bags additional to factory to make the wave any bigger, the wave is good but seems way smaller than the Malibu wave. We love the boat just hope we can make the wave a little bigger.

[wakerider107]

So we pretty much decided on the 17 G23, however, the stick ballast wave for surfing seems alittle weak, has anyone added bags additional to factory to make the wave any bigger, the wave is good but seems way smaller than the Malibu wave. We love the boat just hope we can make the wave a little bigger.

Yes you can add more ballast to make a bigger wave. Lots have done it. You can also simply adjust the settings which I'm sure you didn't have the time on a demo to really dial it in to exactly what your prefer.
Buy the boat and play with the surf settings. If you feel you can't make the wave the size you want with just the settings, then buy a couple ballast bags - it's as easy as that.