New 210 for 2007??

[ag4ever]

why they wouldn't just take the 210 hull design, keep it to scale and increase the length/width to get the same wake in a larger boat

Because it would not work. If you do anything to the wetted surface it will change the wake. If you do anything to the weight distribution it will change the wake. The fact is you can't make the exact same wake with a different length or width hull. Heck, even SAN to SAN the wakes are different. They might be similar, but not the same.

I think the biggest thing going for the SAN is the reputation, and not the actual wake. It has become the Holy Grail of wake boats, and even if it is discontinued, it will still be the boat even if there are others that are better.

[AbunDiga909]

Or, CC could take advantage of this scenario and make it a "price point" boat, yes, a CC price piont boat, to compete w/ MC's "new" X-1.

[SGY]

I was at MidWest CC over the weekend. Man that 220 is a sweet set up. It and the 226 are freaking huge. They dwarf my little 196.

[DRAGON88]

The X-1 isn't really price point at all. If you option one out comfortably you still come up at around 55-60k. Also I've heard that this is the final year for the 205V hull. (Aka-X-1)

Why would CC waste their time making price point wakeboats when they could be using those same buildslots to make $70k boats? That will probably change witht he new factory, however, as it stands now they're selling every single boat they can make.

[AbunDiga909]

I remember seeing a MC ad in WBM or WSM for a new X-1, Fully Equipped @ $39,995, or a price like that. I remeber it being below 40K. How could you say CC would waste time making a price point boat? They already have an excellent boat, the 210. What would make it a price point boat from now is if they work on keeping the price down from now on. They have zero amount of structual work to do to that boat to get it liked. All you really need to have a hardcore wakeboard boat is the tower and tanks and the hull, not a shower or heater or tower speakers. The X-1 is so much cheaper than the rest of the MC boats, and its not like the X-1 does stuff the X-15 or X-30 can't do, I'd say its a price point boat, IMO.

[DRAGON88]

$39,995 is for a bare bones stripped down X-1, it's all marketing.

Why would CC sell the 210 for 40k when they could be selling them for 60k?

[AbunDiga909]

Uhh, to compete w/ the X-1... if I am correct in them being sold well equipped for 39K, which I may not be as of now...

[DRAGON88]

What I'm getting at is it wouldn't be worth it for CC to "compete" with the X-1. (Do a search on wb.com for prices BTW, what does well equipped mean to you? Sterio? PP? Balast? Decent motor? Tandem trailer etc.)

Here's the thing, CC can only build so many boats per year. They are going to try to fill up thoes slots with boats that yeild higher makings for themselves. If they continue to fill 100% of their build slots like they have the past couple years, then there is no incentive for them to introduce a "budget" boat, because they are already making their "theoretical" maximum profits. Making the 210 a "price point" boat (given that they continue to sell out their buildslots every year.) would just make them less money.

The X-1 optioned out decently is a far cry from a "budget" boat. You may believe the marketing hype, but the truth is not many dealerships are selling the $40k X-1's because that means they ALSO make less money on the boat.

[wake-sk8]

They will need the numbers when the new factory is up and running. I think they will be in new territory, i.e. they will be able to build more boats than they can sell. Hence new models.

I am a die hard 210 fan, but even I am thinking it's looking a bit dated. Any newbies, especially families will go for the Bu or the MC every time, unless they really do their homework.

CC will tell you themselves that they need the newbies, as they are the next generation of customers. Us die hards won't be riding 4ever !!! (unfortunately)

[Mikeski]

Here is my design for 2007...

Rear looks like the 210, running surface is like the 211 with wakeplate, 1200lbs of ballast with good working self priming aerator fill and drain pumps, walk through is just a snap off cusion with walk surface on one storage locker cover, boat is 21 feet long, motor options include a low rpm tuned high torque 383 iron head motor with high flow aluminum exhausts (400+ ft. lbs or torque at 3k rpm), snap out interior like the 211, simple tower, stereo on the driver's side, drive by cable, retro graphics option "SUPER AIR NAUTIQUE", no sinks/toilets/or tube holders.

[82tique]

Uhh, to compete w/ the X-1... if I am correct in them being sold well equipped for 39K, which I may not be as of now...

Dragon is right....$39,995 for an X-1 does not really exist. Just a 'bait and hook' from MC. I priced them about a month ago, and the cheapest one I found was 48k. They're out of production for '06.

The 210 is a classic in my mind that could be sold bare bones with old school FCT and sell out production every year.

I agree with Erik, CC needs to come up with something better than the 220 to compete with the 24lsv.

[patoloco]

Well, whatever it will be, if its coming out in August the thing is already designed and in final production planning. Should be interesting to what they come up with.

I'm really hoping for a tower re-design...I think it looks good on the 220...but way oversized looking for the 210...and it hasnt grown on me yet.

When I first saw the collapsible 2000 tower, I kept looking at it, thinking "I think I like it, but I'm not sure why"

[Bremsen]

I love the arguements over the X-1....its "bait and switch"...lol. Its a nicely equipped v-drive at $39995. Everything a wakeboarder needs and nothing he doesn't......one of the worlds best wakeboard hulls, trailer, tower, board racks, and ballast. And yes, my dealer had one at the boat show with some added options for $39995. In fact, it was $17k less than the trailerless SAN (ltd I think) that was right across the isle. Even if you option it out to $48k.....brand new custom ordered X-1 or 2y/o used 210TE? I love nautiques, but thats a no brainer.

[82tique]

Its a nicely equipped v-drive at $39995. Everything a wakeboarder needs and nothing he doesn't......one of the worlds best wakeboard hulls, trailer, tower, board racks, and ballast.

I completely agree, tried to find an X-1 to buy at that price, just couldn't find one ......but I still would rather have a '02- '03 210 than any other wake boat on the planet.

[jon4pres]

I am with Bremsen. I would say the two holy grail wake boats are the 210 and the mastercraft 205v(x-1). Neither of these boats are poorly built. They will both stand the test of time. If I were in the market for a boat I would buy which ever one of these two boats I could get the cheapest. I dont need lots of options all I want is a tower, autoballast, and a big enough motor to pull when weighted heavily. At this point I am pretty sure that I could get an x-1 cheaper than a 210.

Hard core people are not where boat companies are making there money. The thing is the only two boats in the correct craftf line that are made for the hard core are the 196(ski) and the 210(wakeboard). All of the other boats are crossover boats or big family cruiser kinda boats.