Is my dealer trying to get rid of me?

[mgs917]

If price is such a major factor, buy a used one. There are plenty to chose from in immaculate condition and the original owner already took the hit. When I'm ready to buy I will only buy new if I need an exact color/interior/features combo.

[markj]

Demand and actually have to pay cause it is in the contract are 2 different things I wonder what's actually the case. No one actually knows or if they know they aren't willing to tell.

I am going through purchasing a new boat and can tell you I can never get a straight answer on how nautique dealerships work. They can sell out of their territory, they cant sell out of their territory. They will be fined thousands of dollars if this or that happens, they may or may not service you if you do not buy the boat from them. It is never the same or a straight answer. And this forum is a perfect example for this. At least a few different people have said a few different things about what they can/cant do etc....sorry for not taking the time to quote them all. So what is actually the freaking deal...do any of us consumers actually know or just think we know because of what a dealer told us??? lol

I am only shopping the G23 and comparable boats so I do not know much if anything about pricing on other nautique models. But the G23, normal pricing, not getting a hookup or anything, is tens of thousands of dollars more than a Tige or Malibu, and other comparable models...maybe mastercraft x23 is priced close to g23, but for the most part the g23 is tens of thousands more than competitors. There are reasons it is more expensive and I am willing to pay more for it, to a certain point....but when you are paying that much I feel the dealer/dealer network should be top notch also and that just doesn't seem to be the case. The dealer network for other boats probably isn't that great either but they are thousands less. My local dealer also sells Malibu...like that isn't a conflict of interests. And the other nautique dealers I have talked to out of state have given me ridiculous pricing, so ridiculous that they are basically telling me they don't want to sell me a boat. I can take a hint. It really does suck when you are spending this much money and you feel that you are being forced to spend it at a certain place. And the local nautique dealers know this so of course they are jacking up the prices cause they know chances are slim you can go anywhere else.

From the shopping I have been doing IMHO, 21% off seems to be a decent deal...not the best but far from the worst deal they could offer. If you are actually getting 24% quoted over the phone then I would say go with that, maybe you could get a little more in person. I also feel like 21% from your local dealer is ok so in my opinion I don't think you could go wrong on either one.

Uh, no. It IS a rule and it's up to the local dealer if they want to demand/enforce it. They don't even have to do it immediately. Believe it. I've been there and watched it happen. It costs the selling dealer. Not the customer. The local dealer catches it/you the first time you bring it in to them for any kind of service. They file a claim with Nautique and the selling dealer writes a check to the local dealer. It's that simple.

[markj]

If price is such a major factor, buy a used one. There are plenty to chose from in immaculate condition and the original owner already took the hit. When I'm ready to buy I will only buy new if I need an exact color/interior/features combo.

Exactly.

[Neverenough]

i think Neverenough has if right this is the high time of the season and $ are high right now , the 18 are starting to get ordered at 5% over last year why did i get the g in march lol
i got a 230 for sale lol think my boat will sell in the next month and have the next one from a boat show trade. get a 16 in the winter then crank it back up for the summer again in the spring
hay Neverenough give me a call lost my last phone with your # mabey u can help me u seem to get alll the good deals from Phil lol ill pm u my #

I don't know if I get good deals or not. I just do what works for us as a family. Buxton has always just made me feel good about the buys and always takes care of me and anyone I've sent there. One thing to consider and I think someone stated this also.. Your going to want it serviced or parts as well and I believe that the sell plays a part in that.

[hondaprlud]

Uh, no. It IS a rule and it's up to the local dealer if they want to demand/enforce it. They don't even have to do it immediately. Believe it. I've been there and watched it happen. It costs the selling dealer. Not the customer. The local dealer catches it/you the first time you bring it in to them for any kind of service. They file a claim with Nautique and the selling dealer writes a check to the local dealer. It's that simple.

Wouldn't the selling dealer just show the paperwork with the in market address and tell them they thought they were following the rules?


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[ironpeddler]

Uh, no. It IS a rule and it's up to the local dealer if they want to demand/enforce it. They don't even have to do it immediately. Believe it. I've been there and watched it happen. It costs the selling dealer. Not the customer. The local dealer catches it/you the first time you bring it in to them for any kind of service. They file a claim with Nautique and the selling dealer writes a check to the local dealer. It's that simple.

How is it that simple? I live at least 50 miles from the nearest nautique dealer. Does that mean that the nearest dealer to me is/has to be my dealer or do I live in a grey area and can chose to go wherever I want? I could MAYBE see this happening if I lived in the same city as my dealer but why couldn't I just buy my boat from another dealer and have him service it etc. how would the local dealer even find out? And what is the time limit on this so-called rule?? What if the nearest dealer to me doesn't find out I bought a nautique for 2-3 years can he then go back and get that money 2-3 years later? You don't appear to be a dealer, how do you know this is the case...you watched it happened?? do you mind explaining the situation to us in which you saw a dealer write a check to another dealer for selling a boat in his territory? Was it your boat that was bought out of territory? Again, we are just consumers, customers, users do we really know wtf is going on? And I also feel like there would be a few easy ways around the whole selling dealer pays local dealer thing, surely that cant be easy to enforce.

[G_WaTT]

I know at my local dealership July is their busiest month. So, they may be busy dealing with new customers or other loyal customers who are at the showroom. You may need to be patient depending on the size and amount of sales personnel at your specific dealership. Also, not sure what % off you had before, but 21% on a new order seems solid to me. I think 23% would be an awesome deal, but when a dealership is swamped with potential buyers there's less incentive to make "awesome" deals.

Some dealerships deal in higher volume than others and want to move inventory. Especially last years inventory. You can't expect to get a bespoke suit for the same price as something off the rack. If everything was "apples to apples" on a 17 and 18, but I wasn't keen on the 17's color or wanted another option or two,... 3% is a small price to pay. I know 3% is a lot on such a large purchase, but not getting exactly what you want on such a large purchase seems like the higher price.

I think you should shop around if your interested in getting the best deal you can on a new boat. I would recommend looking at onlyinboards.com
I actually had my local dealer contact selling dealerships from the site and he got me a killer deal! It's not uncommon for dealerships to work with each other. This was also off peak season and my dealership had the time to contact and "deal" with other dealerships.

[markj]

How is it that simple? I live at least 50 miles from the nearest nautique dealer. Does that mean that the nearest dealer to me is/has to be my dealer or do I live in a grey area and can chose to go wherever I want? I could MAYBE see this happening if I lived in the same city as my dealer but why couldn't I just buy my boat from another dealer and have him service it etc. how would the local dealer even find out? And what is the time limit on this so-called rule?? What if the nearest dealer to me doesn't find out I bought a nautique for 2-3 years can he then go back and get that money 2-3 years later? You don't appear to be a dealer, how do you know this is the case...you watched it happened?? do you mind explaining the situation to us in which you saw a dealer write a check to another dealer for selling a boat in his territory? Was it your boat that was bought out of territory? Again, we are just consumers, customers, users do we really know wtf is going on? And I also feel like there would be a few easy ways around the whole selling dealer pays local dealer thing, surely that cant be easy to enforce.

Yeah, it happened with my last purchase. I can't go into much detail about it since I want to keep fostering a relationship with my local dealer and this wasn't my last boat purchase. I bought a boat from out of state thinking it was kosher because it was a holdover model equipped exactly as I wanted it. I thought wrong and it has cost me a couple of times (think warranty claims). I still come out WAY on top because of the ridiculously good deal I got.

I don't have a territory map. If you are between multiple dealers and don't mind driving to the one you buy yours from for service, more power to you.

[swc5150]

Yeah, it happened with my last purchase. I can't go into much detail about it since I want to keep fostering a relationship with my local dealer and this wasn't my last boat purchase. I bought a boat from out of state thinking it was kosher because it was a holdover model equipped exactly as I wanted it. I thought wrong and it has cost me a couple of times (think warranty claims). I still come out WAY on top because of the ridiculously good deal I got.

I don't have a territory map. If you are between multiple dealers and don't mind driving to the one you buy yours from for service, more power to you.

Wow, that's a huge bummer. Non-current models aren't supposed to be subject to territory requirements (coming straight from a buddy who owns a Nautique lot). Some of these CC dealerships appear really uptight about out-of-territory purchases. Having purchased a non-current this year from out of territory, our local dealer is still totally happy servicing our boat. They're actually being overly nice to us...maybe anticipating our next purchase? What a concept!

[markj]

Wow, that's a huge bummer. Non-current models aren't supposed to be subject to territory requirements (coming straight from a buddy who owns a Nautique lot). Some of these CC dealerships appear really uptight about out-of-territory purchases. Having purchased a non-current this year from out of territory, our local dealer is still totally happy servicing our boat. They're actually being overly nice to us...maybe anticipating our next purchase? What a concept!

Yep. I bought a 2015 at the end of November 2015. It had a spray date of 8/14. I guess it wasn't technically last year's model even though 2016's were being built for months. My situation is getting better now. I think I have a better relationship with my local guy now. Unless things go south for some reason, I'll buy my next boat from him. I'm not gonna lie though, things were rough for awhile. He got paid by the other dealer too and it wasn't chump change. Oh, I also just learned that ALL boat makers have dealer territories. Not just Nautique.

[Tallredrider]

I think the question at hand, I alluded to, is what the definition of 'current model' is. I have seen on every forum I visit (MC, Malibu, Tige) this same issue come up. I am sure it is true of all of them. Some dealers consider a boat no longer current inventory as soon as the new model year comes out, and others somehow hold out for a much longer time before it is considered 'non-current'.

[markj]

Yeah, by the standards of my own experience, it would presumably be the calendar year. Who knows? I was genuinely shocked to find out my local dealer had a claim. It was an honest mistake on both our parts (buyer/seller). I wasn't trying to "go around" the local guy and the selling dealer thought he was in the clear to sell a boat on closeout that he had on the lot for over a year.

[docderwood]

Thought I'd come in on this post since it touched on "local dealer". Purchased my new 2008 230 from a local dealer that then went bankrupt during the financial meltdown. It's been a great boat, but unless something changes it'll be my last. You see, my local dealer is now over 100+ miles away from the lake and 80 or so from the main house. Ironically, there is a closer dealer that has a satellite facility closer to our main house but it isn't consider local by Nautique. There has been very poor consistency as to who carries the Nautique brand in North Alabama the past 10 years and poor effort to expand their local dealer network.