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Man I don't mind the lead but was hoping to get by without filling up any bags. I have 400# of lead and looking for a couple more hundred. Maybe it will work
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Keep in mind the length of the wave is directly proportional to the speed. At 10.8 one will get a very steep short wave. At 11.5 it will be less steep but longer. Add 200 to 300lbs in the bow and it will make the wave longer and less steep. So we shouldn't try to compare waves without stating the speed. As one progresses from just wanting push to riding air 180s, 360s and shuvs it is critical to flatten the wake. On a new G23 this is done at NCRS 2-3, NSS at 0 or 1 and 200lbs in the bow. I also have 200 on port side rear, 150 on starboard side rear and 150 under both side middle seats. But I usually only have two others in the boat. With more people, someone has to ride in the bow to keep the wave manageable for revert riding.
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Is this a serious question? I don't thing an G comes with a trailer barely rated for it. Mine is good up to about 8kOriginally posted by Sailfun
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Think again....... it is barely rated for it.Originally posted by Jakeb View Post
your trailer is probably rated for 8k+. That is true....... but let's think about that for a minute.......
G23 Dry- 5800
Trailer- 1600
Fuel- 409 (65 gallons at 6.3 lbs/gal)
Gear- 300ish (engine oil, coolant, life jackets, FE, anchor, ropes, cooler, etc etc.)
total- 8109 without any lead at all.
Food for thought...... if you happen to be ordering a new G, or a trailer for a G, and you plan to use 500+lbs of lead.....I would recommend asking for 5200lb axles on the trailer. (Or a tridem with 3500lb axles.)Comment
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Jeez I've been saying the same thing for months and all the G "Fan Boys" just shout me down. I have a 230 and my neighbor has a G23. We all surf together. One day we take my boat, the next day we take his. We both surf and drive each others boats all the time.Originally posted by Neverenough View Post
The G wakeboards better. It should. It was built from the ground up to be a wakeboard boat.
The 230 handles better. It isn't even close. He nicknamed his G23 "The Walrus" because of how bad it handles.
The 230 surfs longer, the G23 surfs steeper. Neither is better, just different. Personally, I enjoy the change. It makes me a more versatile surfer.
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Wayward, when you're calculating the total weight the trailer can carry, you do not count the weight of the trailer itself. That's not how it works. So above, you have to take that 1600 pounds out.Originally posted by Wayward View Post
What you calculated here is the TOTAL weight which you do need to know when you're figuring out whether or not your tow vehicle can pull it.
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The standard boatmate trailer used for the G23 is rated for 6900lbs. There are two options that are rated for over 8000 lbs. a tandem with heavy duty brakes and axles and a triple. Those weights assume proper distribution of the weight. Your boat weighs 5900 empty, plus 700 lbs of lead. Coolers, anchors, personal stuff is probably another 300lbs. Fuel is about 400 lbs. Total about 7300lbs. Now add the weight of the trailer and your basically at 9000 lbs. There are very few vehicles that are rated to tow 9000lbs and if they are it probably requires a WDH or it's restricted to 5000 lbs.Originally posted by Jakeb View PostComment
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Where do you see a payload rating on your trailer?? The only ratings I ever saw, were the gross axle weight rating (GAWR), and the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR). Both of which need to have consideration of the unladen weight......Originally posted by charlesml3 View Post
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I think you need to consult with the trailer manufacturer here. They can tell you for sure how to calculate the load.Originally posted by Wayward View Post
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Im not really concerned about it. I ordered my boatmate with a 10,400lb axle group......and I can easily figure out my trailer payload rating from the GVWR rating, and the unladen weight of the trailer......Originally posted by charlesml3 View Post
i assumed by your statement, that the trailer company had a payload rating on it somewhere, and you didn't need to know the empty weight of the trailer to know the payload capabilities. I have never seen this on any trailer before. The only thing they list are axle ratings and GVWR...... which, if you are using those, you definitely need to know the unladen weight of trailer, to figure out the rated payload.
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I was just asking about this in the safe-hauling/trailering thread. So the stock g23 trailer only comes with 3500 lb. axels or the 5200 lb. axles? If the stock g23 trailer only comes with 3500 lb. axles that seems to be pushing it way too much, not sure how they can even sell, with a clear mind, a tandem 3500 lb. axles trailer for a g23. They should all be standard with 5200 lb. tandem axle or 3500 lb. tri-axle. But I didn't know that you don't add the weight of the actual trailer so that helps the 3500 tandem axle case.Originally posted by Wayward View Post
On the boatmate website they are offering an "XL" or extra load tandem axle trailer for the G23, maybe the only difference between the XL and the regular is the XL comes with the 5200 lb axles...I cannot seem to find on there website the axle ratingLast edited by ironpeddler; 08-11-2017, 02:15 PM.Comment
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^ The standard axle rating on the boatmate G23 trailer is 4200lbs per axle. Standard GVWR is 8400lbs. Subtract the 1600lb unladen weight, and you have 6800 available..... which is about exactly what a G23 weighs with just fuel and gear. Extra lead is not a good idea with standard trailer.Comment
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A google search of trailer GVWR returned this "The gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR), or gross vehicle mass (GVM) is the maximum operating weight/mass of a vehicle as specified by the manufacturer including the vehicle's chassis, body, engine, engine fluids, fuel, accessories, driver, passengers and cargo but excluding that of any trailers." It excluded the trailer. So a little lead won't hurt. I've been doing it for years. Just watch tow vehicle ratingOriginally posted by Wayward
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I've seen his tow vehicle and that's certainly not a problem.
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