2018 230 vs 2017 X23

[thejean]

Pricing right now is as good or better than boat show. They want orders through winter months to keep factory going.

But agree, boat show pricing is good as well. But I can't make an X23 work at "end of season leftover 2017 clearance" prices, then I can't imagine I can make a 2018 work at boat show either. And the 2017 stock won't be anymore plentiful at that time and can't imagine incentives on them will be any better than they are right now.

[wakemaker]

x30 is gone sorry not the x23 ,
i just got a quote form mastercraft guy for the x23 with my trade at 133 think he high at 147.
i know u can get a g23 for what your looking at spending on an x23
i am getting the g23 2018

[thejean]

x30 is gone sorry not the x23 ,
i just got a quote form mastercraft guy for the x23 with my trade at 133 think he high at 147.
i know u can get a g23 for what your looking at spending on an x23
i am getting the g23 2018

Ron told me he can get close to 150 for a 2018 but it's going to be bare bones. I don't know what that means though. Not sure I would bother with it either since a slightly upgraded 230 surfs as good as a stock G anyway and I don't need the storage.

[thejean]

x30 is gone sorry not the x23 ,
i just got a quote form mastercraft guy for the x23 with my trade at 133 think he high at 147.
i know u can get a g23 for what your looking at spending on an x23
i am getting the g23 2018

By the way, are you talking US$? Because I am in Canada and you can take any USA pricing and multiply by 1.25 right now to get the price up here. More expensive boats and shorter seasons make boat prices more of a consideration when purchasing. If I could use the thing 8 months of the year (vs 2-3), I might be willing to spring for the more pricey machine.

[thejean]

Way more boat as well, though.....

What are you referring to when you say that though? Just want to understand what "more boat" means to people? Freeboard, ballast, beam width, fit and finish, motor? Stock for stock I completely agree. But I can get a 230 to surf nearly as well as an X23 for very little additional money in ballast bags. Sure I can do the same to an X23 but my point is I can get stock G23 and X23 surf waves for about $25k less at the expense of storage, which is not an issue for me. Am I missing something? G interior has some nice features like an in-floor cooler but overall it's not hugely different (at least comparing 2014 through 2016 and 2018 model years - 2017 was a different story because the 230 didn't get the new dash until 2018).

[Shockthis]

If you are looking to Surf I don't think you can go wrong with a 230. I think you made the right decision going with a 2018 230. I went a different direction as I wanted a bigger wakeboard wake and still have a killer surf wave, I sure you will be very happy with a 230, I had a 210 and we had a great time with it.

[wakemaker]

if u want price and resale the the 230 1018 is the way to go it surfs but u need to add lbs to it 1200 in leeed to start and fat sacs from there u will give up your storage

[thejean]

if u want price and resale the the 230 1018 is the way to go it surfs but u need to add lbs to it 1200 in leeed to start and fat sacs from there u will give up your storage

Makes sense but I am ok with that. My 23 LSV lockers were full of bags as well so I won't miss the storage all that much.

Same as the XT23 and x23, they also have bags that take up the locker space.

[Wayward]

Makes sense but I am ok with that. My 23 LSV lockers were full of bags as well so I won't miss the storage all that much.

Same as the XT23 and x23, they also have bags that take up the locker space.

So, my "way more boat" refers to things like-
1) Way more interior room. The layout is more efficient for interior space. It is deeper, wider, and longer inside. The bow seating area is gigantic compared to the 230 as well.
2) Tons more storage.
3) Additional comfort features like a flip seat, arm rests, and rear lounge seating,
4) Much deeper hull, that rides 100% better, is a much dryer ride, and isn't easy to dip the nose with the ballast amounts you are going to use.
5) Advanced vinyl that doesn't scorch you in the sun, no matter the color.
6) Dual pumps for each ballast tank, and fills 3000lbs in 5 minutes.

The list could go on for the "little things". This is similar with the advantages of the G23 as well. There is a reason they are more expensive.

As for the bags in the back, yes, the X23 has them, but they are tiny 200lb bags. The hard tank ballast in the X23 is 2600lbs. Like I said before, a lot of guys just drop 200lbs of lead in each side, and skip the bags. It's such a small amount, you don't notice it when empty, and it allows excellent storage at the back. The G23 is definitely the king in this regard, the 230 is not so much.... even your bow storage is gone. The XT23 would need to retain its rear bags, and they probably need to be upgraded from stock, this is also where the G23 and X23, excel above the XT23 and 230. The stock ballast levels are both about 3000lbs, (combined with being a heavier boat to start with) and sufficient for an excellent wave, right out of the box.

With all of that said, you are posting all these comparisons on three different forums, comparing to all these different boats, and always leaning to the 230..... it's an awesome boat, it's cheaper, and you will love it. Your budget is stuck at a certain amount, and the 230 also fits that. Just buy it.

[Shockthis]

So, my "way more boat" refers to things like-
1) Way more interior room. The layout is more efficient for interior space. It is deeper, wider, and longer inside. The bow seating area is gigantic compared to the 230 as well.
2) Tons more storage.
3) Additional comfort features like a flip seat, arm rests, and rear lounge seating,
4) Much deeper hull, that rides 100% better, is a much dryer ride, and isn't easy to dip the nose with the ballast amounts you are going to use.
5) Advanced vinyl that doesn't scorch you in the sun, no matter the color.
6) Dual pumps for each ballast tank, and fills 3000lbs in 5 minutes.

The list could go on for the "little things". This is similar with the advantages of the G23 as well. There is a reason they are more expensive.

As for the bags in the back, yes, the X23 has them, but they are tiny 200lb bags. The hard tank ballast in the X23 is 2600lbs. Like I said before, a lot of guys just drop 200lbs of lead in each side, and skip the bags. It's such a small amount, you don't notice it when empty, and it allows excellent storage at the back. The G23 is definitely the king in this regard, the 230 is not so much.... even your bow storage is gone. The XT23 would need to retain its rear bags, and they probably need to be upgraded from stock, this is also where the G23 and X23, excel above the XT23 and 230. The stock ballast levels are both about 3000lbs, (combined with being a heavier boat to start with) and sufficient for an excellent wave, right out of the box.

With all of that said, you are posting all these comparisons on three different forums, comparing to all these different boats, and always leaning to the 230..... it's an awesome boat, it's cheaper, and you will love it. Your budget is stuck at a certain amount, and the 230 also fits that. Just buy it.

I don't think any of the boats he is looking at has double ballast pumps, I believe right now only Supras and the Xstar are the ones using double ballast pumps.

Personally I got tired of lifting ever cushion and having bags underneath , I my 210 I had , ballast in the seats lockers, ski locker and only had two spots left for life jackets, bumpers helmets, kids water skis etc. I really tried to like the gs22 but again, I was going to have to add ballast in the lockers and is really more of a crossover boat, and the wakeboard wake was underwelming with out extra weight. We wanted to go g23 but was going to be a striped down g. In the end we went Supra SL (not striped down) and was 20k (cad)more than a 2018 230 but still was 20k less than a g. I think it will be a good stepping stone boat if we ever decide to go to a g23.

[thejean]

With all of that said, you are posting all these comparisons on three different forums, comparing to all these different boats, and always leaning to the 230..... it's an awesome boat, it's cheaper, and you will love it. Your budget is stuck at a certain amount, and the 230 also fits that. Just buy it.

Only two forums. But yes, point taken and I agree. My decision has been made. Sticking with the 230. My gut was telling me all along it's the best value in a new 2018 and has the latest and greatest and still is a very respectable hull. There's a good reason Nautique keeps it around methinks and they know more about boats than I do!

[Wayward]

I don't think any of the boats he is looking at has double ballast pumps, I believe right now only Supras and the Xstar are the ones using double ballast pumps.

They do...... the X20, X23, and New XStar (All X series MC boats that have been refreshed since 2015. Not the XT's) have Dual ballast pumps for each tank. The X20 and X23 have a total of 6 ballast puppies, and fills 3000lbs in about 5 minutes. The XStar has 8 ballast kings, and fills 4100lbs in less than 3 minutes. The 230 takes almost 15 minutes with 750s in the back, and a bow sack.

Edit- forgot the X26 also has dual pumps for each tank.

[Shockthis]

Good to know, that was big reason for my choice , kids get tired of waiting on cooler days, always had to wait for pumps to fill and drain

[thejean]

They do...... the X20, X23, and New XStar (All X series MC boats that have been refreshed since 2015. Not the XT's) have Dual ballast pumps for each tank. The X20 and X23 have a total of 6 ballast puppies, and fills 3000lbs in about 5 minutes. The XStar has 8 ballast kings, and fills 4100lbs in less than 3 minutes. The 230 takes almost 15 minutes with 750s in the back, and a bow sack.

Edit- forgot the X26 also has dual pumps for each tank.

This is very good info! Hmmm...

[Shockthis]

the other thing to consider, if you run bigger bags you can't adjust the timers, I would go for a swim with the kids then have to get out and hit the buttons again. With other companies they do have adjustable timers so if you add more weight you can change the timers.