G21 or G23?

[surferguy]

Hello everyone new long time lurker, first time poster. I currently have a 17 Malibu 22MXZ and want to make the move to Nautique. My dilema is which G? The wife and I really like the 18 G23 but do I actually need that big of a boat, however, it is pretty amazing. I think the 18 G21 seems to be a bit more up our alley due to size and obviously cost difference but is there that much difference in surf wave between the 2, I mean the 22 MXZ is unreal on surf wave but with the slew of problems I have had with the boat I just want to move on. Can anyone shed some light on this for me that may have had both 21 and 23, also, we usually dont have a large crew our most times only 4-5 and we only surf. Thank in advance for the info.

[ShredCandlewood]

Where in NY are you? Lakes or on the sound? Both waves are awesome, the G23 inches out a little better due to size and the hull design at the transom.

[greggmck]

If you think the 22MXZ has a "unreal" surf wave. My first question is compared to what? I'm genuinely not trying to be rude. But what other boats have you surfed? My experience is the 22/23 Malibu surf wave is uncompetitive with the G, Centurion Ri237 and Supra SL/SE. In fact my friend sold his MXZ after surfing the G23. Said it wasn't even close. You should demo the G21 and G23 first and come to a first hand informed conclusion.

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[Wake.BC]

The new mxz series puts out a legit wave. Personally I think going to the g21 would be a down grade for you.


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[blueroom]

I have demoed most of the Malibu's. Personally I Prefer the G23 wake/wave. The stock Malibu wave is more of a roller wave, in general. The G wave is different, and takes some getting used to. However, once you have been riding a G wave it is hard to go back. I love that we ride the G wave as it comes out of the box.

I know some people that have been longtime Malibu die hards. They moved from the LSV to the new 24 MXZ this last season. They liked the boat, but are moving over to a G23 this next year. Pretty strong data point for me - but everyone has their own opinions and reasons.

[cedarcreek216]

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[blueroom]

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[greggmck]

My family is into competitive surfing and I do my best to surf as many boats as possible because in competition you must be able to surf any wave. The differences between waves has a significant impact on the timing for performing tricks. However the boats that get used the most in competition are G23, Centurion Ri 237/257, a few Supras and Supremes. There is only one competition in the US that I know of that uses Malibu, the 10,000 lakes Open. They use the M235 because it has the best wave from Malibu. So when I see people say how the MXZ or LSV have a good wave, well that just does not jive with the consensus among competitive surfers. It might be just fine for the beginner carving around but its not a great wave. The only competitive surfer who trains on Malibu is Stacia Bank and she is sponsored by Malibu. If you visit her Instagram you will see she trains on a 21 MXZ. Its not a bad boat, but the wave is more of a swell, its not even close to the wave of the boats mentioned above.

Here is a screen shot of the 21 MXZ wave being surfed by Stacia. You can see the wave is round and does not have C shape or defined lip.
Go to her Instagram page an look at all of the pictures of her MXZ wave for yourself.


Here is a picture of my daughter surfing my G23. Now tell me these waves are the same? Not even close. The G and the boats I mentioned above have a distinct C shape and white water lip which gives the wave push and amplitude. Having a well defined lip is needed to get huge airs like my son below...


And finally if the MXZ wave is so great. Post ONE pic of someone getting air like this off the MXZ wave. Its virtually impossible.

[GMLIII]

My family is into competitive surfing and I do my best to surf as many boats as possible because in competition you must be able to surf any wave. The differences between waves has a significant impact on the timing for performing tricks. However the boats that get used the most in competition are G23, Centurion Ri 237/257, a few Supras and Supremes. There is only one competition in the US that I know of that uses Malibu, the 10,000 lakes Open. They use the M235 because it has the best wave from Malibu. So when I see people say how the MXZ or LSV have a good wave, well that just does not jive with the consensus among competitive surfers. It might be just fine for the beginner carving around but its not a great wave. The only competitive surfer who trains on Malibu is Stacia Bank and she is sponsored by Malibu. If you visit her Instagram you will see she trains on a 21 MXZ. Its not a bad boat, but the wave is more of a swell, its not even close to the wave of the boats mentioned above.

Here is a screen shot of the 21 MXZ wave being surfed by Stacia. You can see the wave is round and does not have C shape or defined lip.
Go to her Instagram page an look at all of the pictures of her MXZ wave for yourself.


Here is a picture of my daughter surfing my G23. Now tell me these waves are the same? Not even close. The G and the boats I mentioned above have a distinct C shape and white water lip which gives the wave push and amplitude. Having a well defined lip is needed to get huge airs like my son below...


And finally if the MXZ wave is so great. Post ONE pic of someone getting air like this off the MXZ wave. Its virtually impossible.

Great post

[xxrb2010]

Great post, but I would muddy the water a little bit, or I will highlight what the OP said in the post and maybe was not clear to all of us reader. The OP is talking about competitive surfing and this is the key point of the post. So, now the question is the following: does competitive surfing and average Joe surfing need the same boat? I have no clue about the answer.

To @greggmck, do not read my post as a negative or against your post, this is the opposite, I just put some bold font on part of your post .

By the way where I boat, I have yet to see someone getting air on a surf. I see some very good wakeboarders on most every boat brand, but no surfer yet.

[greggmck]

Great post, but I would muddy the water a little bit, or I will highlight what the OP said in the post and maybe was not clear to all of us reader. The OP is talking about competitive surfing and this is the key point of the post. So, now the question is the following: does competitive surfing and average Joe surfing need the same boat? I have no clue about the answer.

To @greggmck, do not read my post as a negative or against your post, this is the opposite, I just put some bold font on part of your post .

By the way where I boat, I have yet to see someone getting air on a surf. I see some very good wakeboarders on most every boat brand, but no surfer yet.

Thanks for your perspective. First, I'm an engineer and a life long water sports competitor. I say that because as an engineer I seek facts and less so opinions, unless the opinion is from someone I know who is very accomplished in that particular area. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. I totally respect that and would not flame anyone for a difference of opinion. I would also acknowledge that not everyone wants a competitive class wave. BUT, if one is a beginner or simply wants to carve around and have fun, with little experience then one should not claim to know much about the quality of waves. That perspective is ok, but it is also uninformed, a case of not knowing what you don't know. It might be fine to say that this boat has a great wave for my needs, but not that its better than another boat...unless it is prefaced by "For me" as a beginner with simpler needs.

[greggmck]

I would also add, that many of my friends and acquaintances who own Malibu or Mastercraft "surf" boats (largely because these are the boats with the largest dealerships and local advertising) join us on our G23. I set them up with a real surf board (Blusurf, or Soulcraft). Dial in the wave for their particular skill level and give them a few pointers. In EVERY case they are blown away by how fast they can progress and gain greater enjoyment from surfing with the right boat and board setup. So I offer this because many, myself included were once at a point where we did not know what we didn't know and thought we had the right gear. Only later to be educated by someone more knowledgeable. Gaining this knowledge sooner than later can save a lot of time and money as well as accelerate your enjoyment of the sport.

[rossrips7]

Not trying to troll.. but how is “competitive Wake surfing” judged?


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[Wake.BC]

Not trying to troll.. but how is “competitive Wake surfing” judged?


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It’s a judged based scoring. Based upon, degree of difficulty, intensity, variety, and execution. Those categories are added together and become the score for your run.




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[blueroom]

greggmck - 100% agree.

Not saying it won't ever happen, but every friend, acquaintance, etc. that talks about how awesome their wave is, and then rides behind our G23 gets wide eyes and then never mentions their wave again. : ) Not trying to be cocky or a fan boy, but that is how it goes it seems.