G21 or G23?

[surferguy]

greggmck - 100% agree.

Not saying it won't ever happen, but every friend, acquaintance, etc. that talks about how awesome their wave is, and then rides behind our G23 gets wide eyes and then never mentions their wave again. : ) Not trying to be cocky or a fan boy, but that is how it goes it seems.

I completely understand as I have only ridden the G21 and G23 for a short demo session. I am definitely not saying that my MXZ is the best wave just seemed to be better than both G's for what I knew to be a good wave, however I am obviously looking at buying a new G23 so I could be wrong.

[greggmck]

Not trying to troll.. but how is “competitive Wake surfing” judged?


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Here is a compilation of the judging criteria used for Competitive Wakesurfing. Its similar in concept to ocean surfing and wakeboarding.

Wakesurf Trick List

The following Wakesurf Trick List was compiled by the World WakeSurf Association.

Listed in order of difficulty. Some of these tricks can only be performed on a skim style board, while others can only be performed on a surf style board. The style of board appropriate for each trick is noted at the end of each line.

Pumping- turning up and down the face of the wake to gain speed. (Both styles)
Stalling- Applying pressure to your back foot to slow down or "stall". (Both styles)
Floater- When a rider and board "floats" on top of the wake. (Both styles)
Lip slide- Just like a floater but the board is sideways. (Both styles)
Spray- gouging into the face of the wake to create the water under you to explode and spray. (Both styles)
Fire Hydrant- Placing one hand on the board and taking your front foot off. (Both styles)
Posing- doing hand and body positions while riding for cool style points. (Both styles)
Hang 5 - Rider extends front foot (toes) over front of board (Both styles). More credit by judges the further forward the rear foot.
Rail Grabs - Grabbing the board's rail while the board is on the wake - one or both hands. (Both styles)
Cutbacks - Bashing off the lip of the wake with the board - the more extreme and risky the better. (Both styles)
Paddle back in - Going to the extreme rear of the wake, throwing down on the board and paddling back in to the power zone. This can also be done by pulling the outside rail of the board to bring it back to the power zone. (Surf style)
Tubing It - Throwing down on the board and sliding back into the tube until covered up - the deeper the better, and then popping out and standing back up on the board. (Surf style)
Switch Stance-Riding with the opposite foot forward. (Both styles)
180 spin - Spinning 180 on the wake - Board and rider spin. (Both styles - more difficult surf style) The video shows first a toeside 180 and then a heelside 180. Both show a regular turn. A blind turn is more difficult.
Airs- Launching off the lip with board into the air and landing back on the wake (toeside or heelside). (Both styles)
One Hand Grab Air - Grabbing one rail of the board while the board is airborne above the wake. (Both styles - more difficult surf style)
Double Grab Air - Grabbing both rails of the board while the board is airborne above the wake. (Both styles -more difficult surf style)
Hang 10 - Rider extends both feet (toes) over end of board (Surf style)
360 spin- Spinning 360 on the face of the wake - Board and rider spin. (Both styles - more difficult surf style)
540 spin - Rider spins continuously 1 1/2 times until he is riding switch stance forward (Both styles - but extremely difficult surf style)
720 spin - Rider spins continuously 2 complete 360's (Both styles - but extremely difficult surf style)
Alley oop air 180- doing an air while spinning 180 the blind direction. (Trick style)
180 air- doing and air and spinning a 180 in the air and landing in with a switch stance. (Trick style)
180 shuv-it - spinning just the board 180 under your feet and landing with the board "backwards". (Trick Style) - The video shows an Almost Shuv-It. Better video will follow as soon as we have it.
900 spin - Rider spins continuously 2 1/2 times until he is riding switch stance forward. (Both styles - but extremely difficult surf style) - The video shows an Almost 900. Better video will follow as soon as we have it.
360 shuv-it - same as a 180 but you spin the board a full 360 under your feet. NOTE: rider does not spin only the board spins. (Trick style)
Big Spin - Same as a 360 shuv-it only the rider spins a 180 at the same time the board does a 360. (Trick style)


Judging Criteria - Judge riders on the following.

1) Most difficult maneuvers.
2) Maneuvers with most power.
3) Maneuvers with most style.
4) Maneuvers with most progression (charging the maneuver as opposed to attempting it with caution).
5) New age maneuvers presented successfully.
6) Activity ( time spent being progressive, endurance of rider).
7) Wake usage (using the whole wake, especially far back where it is most difficult to recover).


Each competitor completes a trick list like below and the judges in the boat score each competitor.

[greggmck]

Not trying to troll.. but how is “competitive Wake surfing” judged?


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And FYI, here is what real surfing looks like...The 2017 world champ Ashley Kidd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaEcpmVLwyU

[GMLIII]

Good stuff

[Nolealum]

All those tricks on surf style board none the less! She is amazing.


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[mlsurfco]

I have had both the G21 (2015) and G23 (2017). We put 150 hours on the G21 in a summer and 125 on the G23. While both are incredible boats, we strongly prefer the G23. With the 21, we were constantly trying to get the wave less steep. The adjustablility seemed to be steep or steeper. We tried w extra fat sacs and 550 lbs of lead.

With the 23, we took the stock setting, added about 280-300 lbs of lead to offset prop wash and didn’t mess with it much more. It was awesome and we wouldn’t go back to the G21`.

Again, both are awesome boats and you cant beat nautique quality.

If you want more info on surf set ups and what not, let me know.

[thompsonlk]

If you think the 22MXZ has a "unreal" surf wave. My first question is compared to what? I'm genuinely not trying to be rude. But what other boats have you surfed? My experience is the 22/23 Malibu surf wave is uncompetitive with the G, Centurion Ri237 and Supra SL/SE. In fact my friend sold his MXZ after surfing the G23. Said it wasn't even close. You should demo the G21 and G23 first and come to a first hand informed conclusion.

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[thompsonlk]

If you think the 22MXZ has a "unreal" surf wave. My first question is compared to what? I'm genuinely not trying to be rude. But what other boats have you surfed? My experience is the 22/23 Malibu surf wave is uncompetitive with the G, Centurion Ri237 and Supra SL/SE. In fact my friend sold his MXZ after surfing the G23. Said it wasn't even close. You should demo the G21 and G23 first and come to a first hand informed conclusion.

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[thejean]

I used to own a 2013 23 LSV. Now I will be the first to admit that it doesn’t have the wave of a 2018 LSV so I also tested a 2018 LSV before making my decision. The LSV was going to be $25k less than my 2017 G23 and I still chose the year older demo G23 over it. The Malibu waves are more rounded off which are good for beginners but after even one year of surfing you should find yourself wanting to try little air tricks and whatnot and that boat just doesn’t cut it.

I also tested a 2015 G21 before buying. It was a great wave. Loved it in fact. But I also recognized that the space advantage of the G23 would be better and my wife and kids will likely prefer the G23 wave to the G21 wave, at least for now, as it’s longer and can be dialed down a bit.

The G23 quite honestly is the perfect wakeboard boat. I can’t find a single flaw with it (other than maybe slow speed maneuvering). As for the cost, if you are not financing the entire amount (meaning, huge interest payments) then the cost of ownership over 5 years will likely be the same as lower cost boats after resale. I am of course assuming you don’t keep the boat for 20 years as anyone looking at a brand new G23 after coming from a 2017 MXZ likely doesn’t keep their boats indefinitely anyway.

Good luck in your decision!!

[surferguy]

I used to own a 2013 23 LSV. Now I will be the first to admit that it doesn’t have the wave of a 2018 LSV so I also tested a 2018 LSV before making my decision. The LSV was going to be $25k less than my 2017 G23 and I still chose the year older demo G23 over it. The Malibu waves are more rounded off which are good for beginners but after even one year of surfing you should find yourself wanting to try little air tricks and whatnot and that boat just doesn’t cut it.

I also tested a 2015 G21 before buying. It was a great wave. Loved it in fact. But I also recognized that the space advantage of the G23 would be better and my wife and kids will likely prefer the G23 wave to the G21 wave, at least for now, as it’s longer and can be dialed down a bit.

The G23 quite honestly is the perfect wakeboard boat. I can’t find a single flaw with it (other than maybe slow speed maneuvering). As for the cost, if you are not financing the entire amount (meaning, huge interest payments) then the cost of ownership over 5 years will likely be the same as lower cost boats after resale. I am of course assuming you don’t keep the boat for 20 years as anyone looking at a brand new G23 after coming from a 2017 MXZ likely doesn’t keep their boats indefinitely anyway.

Good luck in your decision!!

This would be our third wakeboat so we have been surfing for a bit now but hardly if ever wakeboard. I did demo the 21 and 23 but the conditions were not great at the time so both waves seem meeeeeh. I am gonna demo both again as soon as the weather permits.I usually only keep my toys a couple years but who knows maybe this boat will stand the test of time.

[nohlan_4]

This would be our third wakeboat so we have been surfing for a bit now but hardly if ever wakeboard. I did demo the 21 and 23 but the conditions were not great at the time so both waves seem meeeeeh. I am gonna demo both again as soon as the weather permits.I usually only keep my toys a couple years but who knows maybe this boat will stand the test of time.

I know multiple people that have stated that exact thing and once they bought a G they have kept the boat at least twice as long as before hand. I have surfed a lot of boats minus the new centurion RI series (which I wan to surf very badly) But nothing compares to my G23 wave. The lip and power are so much better than a surf gate wave.

#8 09-13-2017, 01:21 PM



I might be biased though.

[greggmck]

I know multiple people that have stated that exact thing and once they bought a G they have kept the boat at least twice as long as before hand. I have surfed a lot of boats minus the new centurion RI series (which I wan to surf very badly) But nothing compares to my G23 wave. The lip and power are so much better than a surf gate wave.

#8 09-13-2017, 01:21 PM



I might be biased though.

That looks like an HC Pro board. One of my favorites. As you know Hunter moved over to Blusurf. My son is on the Hunter Blusurf board. It is amazing. Even faster / more agile than the Soulcraft. Don't get me wrong I love my Secret Weapon. But the Hunter Blusurf is most likely my next board.

I did get a chance to demo the RI237. Honestly it surfs just like the G23. Very similar wave. But I'm a regular rider. The Goofy side is a bit stronger because it is a deep V hull and the boat lists more to the Goofy side due to the prop torque. Now the RI257. That is another beast all together. Much better / stronger wave than anything on the market. But it is a big boat...and I like the G interior better. I wish Nautique would step up their game on the G23 and 25 surf wave. It needs more ballast and a redesigned NSS that can take greater weight. (At about 4,000lbs in the boat people/ballast/fuel the wave washes out.) We can dream cant we?

[scottb7]

i am not a pseudo surf pro like some people...but in my opinion and experience with many boats, unless you are in the top 10% of surfers, their are many boats that will work just as well for you. the g boats are going to be terrible for non-surfing stuff at slower speeds...so just be careful knowing what you are going to do with your boat.

[xxrb2010]

i am not a pseudo surf pro like some people...but in my opinion and experience with many boats, unless you are in the top 10% of surfers, their are many boats that will work just as well for you. the g boats are going to be terrible for non-surfing stuff at slower speeds...so just be careful knowing what you are going to do with your boat.

I do have a G21 and do 99% of wakeboard on it, very rarely surfing, maybe once or twice a season, so cannot comment on the surf part. I do not see your comment about non surfing as true as I have two kids wakeboarding behind and progressing every year. They started around 4 yo at 9 mph and now they are ok around 14-15mph. Agree I do not have experience with kids on other boats, but looking at other boats with kids on the lake, I do not see their wakes better than mine at low speed. I might say most of people drive their boat way to fast with kids behind from what I see.

[FEVB]

New Xstar has an incredible wave. You should try