Too early to talk about a 2019 G23? Any expectation?

[ironj32]

I'd love to see some additional factory ballast (another 1k pounds would be awesome, if they have room under the floor), with quicker fill times. We'll probably continue to see modifications in the gel schemes and color options. Another heater outlet or two would also be nice.

I'm not sure I can see them messing with the hull for a better surf wave, at least not at the sacrifice of the wakeboard wake. This thing has and continues to prove to produce the best wake out there (yes, this is subjective), and that has been a key part of the marketing of it for the past 5 years. Other boats continue to try to catch it from a wake perspective, but they fall short, in my opinion.

[Tallredrider]

You still have your 16, right? Does yours start out normal speed, and then all of a sudden ramps up to a higher speed after a few seconds (I’m assuming all 16s were like mine)? That system is actually pretty awesome. My 16 filled and emptied in less than 8 minutes. I wonder why they didn’t keep that setup for 17 and 18??? The system doesn’t ramp up the pumps on the 17 and 18, and they are much slower than the 16 to fill/empty. (12ish mins)

I did not know they somehow changed the pumps in 17. My pumps fire up and then have this pretty awesome jet engine noise as they 'spool up' in the first few seconds. I did not hear that it was problematic.

[Tallredrider]

So Tallredrider, you fill and empty your ballasts when your engine is off? I have done it on occasions but not all the time. Yeah I hate all the engine hours I’m raking up filling the ballast tanks all the time which can run the hours up rather fast .

Yeah I think it was Wayward who said the 16s pumps run faster than the 17s and 18s

Correct, I do not asphyxiate my rider on the swim platform while finishing the fill on the ballast. The batteries are plenty capable of managing 3 ballast pumps without the engine on.

I don't wait to stop to fill up, however. If I know we are going to be surfing, I start the ballast as soon as the boat hits the water.

[scottb7]

can someone provide some verifiable facts. as far as i know nautique uses the ballast puppy stuff, and always have, and they are NOT 2 speed. so i don't know what you guys are talking about with the whole ramps up stuff...yeah...no...don't think so...

other mfgrs are using the ballast kings and they are - ready for this - putting in 2 pumps per sac. nautique needs to catch up quick...

and yes it sucks that you can't just switch the pumps, but they pull too many amps...

[JoeA]

2019 Predictions:

Air Conditioning

Collision Warning System

7% Price Increase

[Wayward]

can someone provide some verifiable facts. as far as i know nautique uses the ballast puppy stuff, and always have, and they are NOT 2 speed. so i don't know what you guys are talking about with the whole ramps up stuff...yeah...no...don't think so...

other mfgrs are using the ballast kings and they are - ready for this - putting in 2 pumps per sac. nautique needs to catch up quick...

and yes it sucks that you can't just switch the pumps, but they pull too many amps...

The pumps weren’t 2 speed pumps.....

2013-2015 G series used ballast puppies. Time to fill about 15 mins.
2016 G series is Ballast Kings and starts them at battery voltage and then uses a stepped transformer in the PDM to bump the voltage and increase their speed.TTF 7-8 mins
2017-2018 G series is ballast kings but doesn’t step above batt voltage. TTF 11-12 mins

i don’t know of anyone using twin ballast kings. Supra is using twin ballast puppies on the SL, and MC is using twin ballast puppies in the X20, X23, and X26. The XStar is using twin Johnson pumps that were designed specifically for MC to use in the Star. They are 1800 GPH each, which is about 2x the output of a ballast king..... which is how they can fill 4200lbs in 2 minutes and 5 seconds.

[FEVB]

I'd love to see some additional factory ballast (another 1k pounds would be awesome, if they have room under the floor), with quicker fill times. We'll probably continue to see modifications in the gel schemes and color options. Another heater outlet or two would also be nice.

I'm not sure I can see them messing with the hull for a better surf wave, at least not at the sacrifice of the wakeboard wake. This thing has and continues to prove to produce the best wake out there (yes, this is subjective), and that has been a key part of the marketing of it for the past 5 years. Other boats continue to try to catch it from a wake perspective, but they fall short, in my opinion.

ironj32
Yes it would be nice to see more ballast for sure! Did you ride the new Xstar? It is being said that wake is very comparable to the G with more landing zone.

[Green]

Be nice to see the G series boats move to an 8" interior speaker while still maintaining that good look the 6.5" grilles have currently. I'd love to be able to easily switch JL interiors out to the WS Revo8 for more sound.

[scottb7]

I gotta agree with above. Interiors should be 8"

[greggmck]

Doesn't really wash out per say you just get to the point where the NSS surf plate is too buried under the water to have much effect. 1k is nothing I run 1300lbs in the rear and 450lbs of lead in the bow at all times when surfing but then list the boat ever so slightly with stock ballast pumps to make the plate not be buried. Makes an awesome wave.

What year G are you using? Because from my experience a 2016 - 2018 G23 will overrun the NSS with too much ballast in the rear of the boat. With 800lbs of lead and four adults sitting in the rear facing seat the wave will lose shape and wash out. BUT if you add weight in the bow the boat levels and the wave shape is clean. I have experimented with dozens of placements for my lead and keeping it symmetric is the key if you want to run heavy ballast in the 2016+ hull and achieve clean wave. My optimal configuration is: for port side: 200lbs rear, 200lbs middle seat, 200lbs bow. For starboard side: 100lbs rear, 100lbs middle seat, 100lbs bow. This extra 900lbs of lead produces a long, very tall wave. The pros I surf with say it is equivalent to the Ri257 wave. Having surfed many boats I have not found a better wave.

The update I would REALLY love to see on the G would be a prop rotation option. Let the buyer choose regular or goofy prop torque bias. It's not right that most surfers are regular, but the prop torque bias favors the fewer goofy riders. The goofy wave on most boats is far superior to the regular side. Give us an option to change that.

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[nohlan_4]

What year G are you using? Because from my experience a 2016 - 2018 G23 will overrun the NSS with too much ballast in the rear of the boat. With 800lbs of lead and four adults sitting in the rear facing seat the wave will lose shape and wash out. BUT if you add weight in the bow the boat levels and the wave shape is clean. I have experimented with dozens of placements for my lead and keeping it symmetric is the key if you want to run heavy ballast in the 2016+ hull and achieve clean wave. My optimal configuration is: for port side: 200lbs rear, 200lbs middle seat, 200lbs bow. For starboard side: 100lbs rear, 100lbs middle seat, 100lbs bow. This extra 900lbs of lead produces a long, very tall wave. The pros I surf with say it is equivalent to the Ri257 wave. Having surfed many boats I have not found a better wave.

The update I would REALLY love to see on the G would be a prop rotation option. Let the buyer choose regular or goofy prop torque bias. It's not right that most surfers are regular, but the prop torque bias favors the fewer goofy riders. The goofy wave on most boats is far superior to the regular side. Give us an option to change that.

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I have a 2013 and offset my 1300 rear with 450 of lead tucked way up in the bow it offsets it nicely. Then I use the factory ballast to adjust the list, for regular I go full port, 3/8 star and full belly. Goofy I use full star, 3/8 port and full belly. Usually ncrs 5, nss 3. That light lean with the factory ballast let’s me add more weight without burying he nss. Works great, try it out fbyou haven’t already be insterested to see what it does on a 2016 and newer hull.

As for more regular riders depends who you talk to, my whole crew is goofy less one person haha.

[swatguy]

For everyone wondering about ballast fill times I just don’t get it. Maybe you just unload off a lift and begin riding , but for me I always have to drive a little to get riding so just flip the switches while re are heading to the riding spot.


Filling you boat at idle or off really doesn’t make a difference. If you want the maximum fill rates and keep the pumps running optimal fill speed you boat should be just above 1200rpms to get the alternator juiced and the voltage at its max . Sitting at idle is same as sitting with the boat off in terms of power delivered to the pumps.


I also agree with most. Nautique definitely needs to step up in the vinyl options as well as the badging options for customization.

[Bevostein]

I'm with you. I'm not saying that the complaint is unwarranted, I just don't understand the scenario where you can't overcome 15 minutes of fill time. Even with a lift its not an issue.

On calm days, we lower the boat far enough into the water for the pumps to pick up and start them while we get stuff in the boat and get situated. By the time we get situated, back out and get someone in the water ready to go the ballast is plenty full.

On rough days when we don't want the boat sitting partially in the water on the lift, we just kick them on the minute we hit the water. If its rough at our dock we have a 10 minute ride to smooth water and another 5-10 minutes for someone to gear up, get in and go. More than enough time to get ballast on.

Problem is every time they make one of these improvements its an excuse to drive up MSRP. If I were buying a new boat and was told you can have the pumps that fill in 5 minutes versus 15 but it will cost $1K more, you can bet I would stick with 15 minute pumps. Unfortunately thats not an option, the MSRP just goes up!

[Nolealum]

I have a 2013 and offset my 1300 rear with 450 of lead tucked way up in the bow it offsets it nicely. Then I use the factory ballast to adjust the list, for regular I go full port, 3/8 star and full belly. Goofy I use full star, 3/8 port and full belly. Usually ncrs 5, nss 3. That light lean with the factory ballast let’s me add more weight without burying he nss. Works great, try it out fbyou haven’t already be insterested to see what it does on a 2016 and newer hull.

As for more regular riders depends who you talk to, my whole crew is goofy less one person haha.

Do you put the lead in very front or evenly on both sides? Thanks.


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[nohlan_4]

Shove it as far up in the nose and bow storage as possible. But evenly on both sides yup.