Too early to talk about a 2019 G23? Any expectation?

[Bevostein]

The farther you shove it up in the bow the better. The cantilever effect helps amplify the impact when compared to water. I would argue that a few hundred lbs jammed up under the nose is a equivalent to double that in sac on the floor of the bow

[nyryan2001]

I’ll likely be a 2019 buyer.

my biggest concerns is the same old vinyl.

i take care of my boats but use them hard and often. No vinyl stays looking new longer than 2-3 yrs. then rips, stitches and staples pop all over.

jow are the darker grays and brown vinyls looking now 2-4ys Old?

[Shockthis]

The pumps weren’t 2 speed pumps.....

2013-2015 G series used ballast puppies. Time to fill about 15 mins.
2016 G series is Ballast Kings and starts them at battery voltage and then uses a stepped transformer in the PDM to bump the voltage and increase their speed.TTF 7-8 mins
2017-2018 G series is ballast kings but doesn’t step above batt voltage. TTF 11-12 mins

i don’t know of anyone using twin ballast kings. Supra is using twin ballast puppies on the SL, and MC is using twin ballast puppies in the X20, X23, and X26. The XStar is using twin Johnson pumps that were designed specifically for MC to use in the Star. They are 1800 GPH each, which is about 2x the output of a ballast king..... which is how they can fill 4200lbs in 2 minutes and 5 seconds.

Make sure you guys don't wish too much for double pumps, we just got our new Supra Sl with double pumps, although it does fill in around 5 min , you can not fill with the boat off. I am not sure about the new X-star, maybe Wayward could chime in? I did like filling the ballast while the kids went for a quick dip. Other than that the boat was pretty sweet.

[Wayward]

^ Just got the Star in the water yesterday. When you activate ballast fill, there is a notation that comes up on the screen that says that it is recommended to leave the engine running during filling/emptying. MC also put out a service bulletin to make sure dealers installed a large size deep cycle for the main battery. Supposedly, if you run the larger deep cycle, you don’t have to leave the engine running. If you run the usual size/type, you do have to leave it running.

I timed the fill with just the 4 hard tanks first. It filled in 1:51. I then plugged in the PnP bags that go under the rear compartment floor, and it took 2:27.

For me, I’m not really worried about running during filling. If I activate as soon as the first rider is jumping in the water, I’ll be half full by the time I pull them up, and will be completely full by the time they settle in, and are ready to start carving it up.

Even then, I do have the big deep cycle, so I don’t have to run it if I don’t want. I do know that a deep cycle is probably only going to last a couple years, being used for that purpose. They don’t like being short cycled.

Shockthis- maybe you could try that option? A deep cycle is better suited for a long duration heavy load without dropping voltage. You might find that will allow you to fill with engine off.

[Shockthis]

Good call, I didn't look to see if it was a deep cycle battery, I will give that a look see, I am not to worried as It usually takes me 2 -3 minutes to get my riding spot and and another 2-3 to get my gear on. The kids used to like to go for a swim while waiting because the old 210 with the extra sacs plumbed in took 10-15 mins.

[Infinity]

Both of those fill times are pretty impressive for that much ballast using pumps. Twin 1800GPH pumps on the MC...wow! Are those offered for sale aftermarket, or right now only available thru MC?
Honestly kindof surprised they are just now putting out pumps that will move this kind of water. Awesome

[Shockthis]

^ Just got the Star in the water yesterday. When you activate ballast fill, there is a notation that comes up on the screen that says that it is recommended to leave the engine running during filling/emptying. MC also put out a service bulletin to make sure dealers installed a large size deep cycle for the main battery. Supposedly, if you run the larger deep cycle, you don’t have to leave the engine running. If you run the usual size/type, you do have to leave it running.

I timed the fill with just the 4 hard tanks first. It filled in 1:51. I then plugged in the PnP bags that go under the rear compartment floor, and it took 2:27.

For me, I’m not really worried about running during filling. If I activate as soon as the first rider is jumping in the water, I’ll be half full by the time I pull them up, and will be completely full by the time they settle in, and are ready to start carving it up.

Even then, I do have the big deep cycle, so I don’t have to run it if I don’t want. I do know that a deep cycle is probably only going to last a couple years, being used for that purpose. They don’t like being short cycled.

Shockthis- maybe you could try that option? A deep cycle is better suited for a long duration heavy load without dropping voltage. You might find that will allow you to fill with engine off.

So does it take 4:17 to fill it all the way up including the pnp bags or can they be fill at the same time?

[nyryan2001]

^ Just got the Star in the water yesterday. When you activate ballast fill, there is a notation that comes up on the screen that says that it is recommended to leave the engine running during filling/emptying. MC also put out a service bulletin to make sure dealers installed a large size deep cycle for the main battery. Supposedly, if you run the larger deep cycle, you don’t have to leave the engine running. If you run the usual size/type, you do have to leave it running.

I timed the fill with just the 4 hard tanks first. It filled in 1:51. I then plugged in the PnP bags that go under the rear compartment floor, and it took 2:27.

For me, I’m not really worried about running during filling. If I activate as soon as the first rider is jumping in the water, I’ll be half full by the time I pull them up, and will be completely full by the time they settle in, and are ready to start carving it up.

Even then, I do have the big deep cycle, so I don’t have to run it if I don’t want. I do know that a deep cycle is probably only going to last a couple years, being used for that purpose. They don’t like being short cycled.

Shockthis- maybe you could try that option? A deep cycle is better suited for a long duration heavy load without dropping voltage. You might find that will allow you to fill with engine off.

Wayward, did you post any pics of your boat anywhere? If not, could you?

[Wayward]

So does it take 4:17 to fill it all the way up including the pnp bags or can they be fill at the same time?

Without the PnP, it takes 1:51 to fill all the hard tank.
With the PnP bags in, it takes 2:27 to fill all hard tanks plus the PnP bags.

The PnP is piggy backed on the rear hard tanks, so the hard tanks fill in just under 2 minutes, and the bags add about 30 seconds to the rear tank fill time.


nyryan- One pic in the tow rig thread, but here is a few shots of it.

[Shockthis]

Wow that is Fast, sweet boat man

[GMLIII]

Without the PnP, it takes 1:51 to fill all the hard tank.
With the PnP bags in, it takes 2:27 to fill all hard tanks plus the PnP bags.

The PnP is piggy backed on the rear hard tanks, so the hard tanks fill in just under 2 minutes, and the bags add about 30 seconds to the rear tank fill time.


nyryan- One pic in the tow rig thread, but here is a few shots of it.

Nice boat and impressive fill rate on the ballast tanks

[Beg4wake]

Like a tsunami aerator?? You'd have to rework the entire ballast system, and have 6 of them...... It would cost you a couple grand, minimum, and then you couldn't change the timers to compensate. I know you could turn them on and of manually, but wouldn't it seem kinda dumb to have to do that on a boat that costs this much?? Take a fully auto system, and turn it into one that you have to babysit?

If you are talking about doing the huge new Johnson pumps that MC is using, the PDMs in the G wont handle the extra current draw of those pumps. You'd just keep tripping the internal circuit breaker function in the PDM.



GMLIII- Ya, I was disappointed on my 17 as well..... the ironic thing, is that 2016s fill much faster. In '16 Nautique used a function in the PDMs to step up the voltage to the pumps, so they would run faster. Youd start filling normal, and then a few seconds later, the pumps would ramp up significantly in speed. My 2016 would fill in 8 minutes, and my 17 took 12. I wonder why they ditched the setup from the '16?? It worked awesome! Maybe they had more pump failures from increasing the voltage to them?

Yup my 16 fills completely in just under 8 mins. I would take a wild guess though that they ditched that feature in the 17's due to a "circuit fault" error code. I've had that message come up several times on my display when I've had the pumps on without the boat running. Guess the boost in power was drawing too many amps.

[Beg4wake]

I’ll likely be a 2019 buyer.

my biggest concerns is the same old vinyl.

i take care of my boats but use them hard and often. No vinyl stays looking new longer than 2-3 yrs. then rips, stitches and staples pop all over.

jow are the darker grays and brown vinyls looking now 2-4ys Old?

My brown vinyl still looks new! Although I'm only at 210 hours right now.

[Beg4wake]

Without the PnP, it takes 1:51 to fill all the hard tank.
With the PnP bags in, it takes 2:27 to fill all hard tanks plus the PnP bags.

The PnP is piggy backed on the rear hard tanks, so the hard tanks fill in just under 2 minutes, and the bags add about 30 seconds to the rear tank fill time.


nyryan- One pic in the tow rig thread, but here is a few shots of it.

How do you like the XStar wake compared to the G wake??! Interested as I almost wanted to trade.

[nyryan2001]

Wayward, gorgeous boat?
$140k range for 450hp?

MC has Nautique beat in vinyl.