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  • shanesj
    • Nov 2016
    • 68

    • Burnsville,MN

    • 2017 G21 H5 2003 Malibu 23LSV

    #1

    Insurance Suggestions

    I have noticed several threads on the site discussing insurance policies, mostly around premium paid. Being in the insurance business I would like to point out some areas that everyone should consider when looking at an insurance policy as they can very different and when it really matters at time of claim you may not have the coverage you thought you had.

    The first thing everyone should consider is the reason for insurance. The first reason clients always give for insurance is to replace their “stuff”. While replacing your “stuff” is one reason for insurance, losing your “stuff” will not financially devastate most people. On the other hand, how well can you financially deal with a bodily injury lawsuit with a judgment of $500,000 and 3 years of legal fees? I am going to go out on a limb and say that the lawsuit will be a much more difficult thing to deal with then the loss of your “stuff”.

    These boats are made for sports that can be inherently dangerous, throw in the other people around you who may not be as responsible as you and those who think alcohol and boating are a great idea and you have all the ingredients for something bad happening.

    I would recommend that everyone look at the bodily injury and property damage limits before worrying about the property coverage limits on the policy. Increasing your liability limits from $300,000 CSL to $500,000 CSL is inexpensive. Hopefully you never need to use the coverage but if you do need it you will want every dollar you can get. Along with the limit understand if claims reduce your limit for any other claims during the policy period, also known as an aggregate limit, or if the full limit is available for each claim. Out of the five carriers we represent, only one has an aggregate limit.

    Consider carrying uninsured coverage, that way you can access your policy when some moron hits you and does not carry insurance. Make sure the uninsured coverage limit is the same as your liability limit. No reason to insure the rest of the world for more than you insure yourself. The coverage is very inexpensive.

    Be sure the policy provides coverage for wreckage removal and environmental damage. Most stand-alone boat policies provide this coverage but be sure to read the exclusions for limitations to the coverage. Along the same lines, do not insure your boat on your homeowners policy, normally coverage is inferior to a stand alone marine policy and a claim on the boat may count as a claim on your homeowners policy, you do not want that!

    For physical damage coverage, to the boat, understand what limitations are imposed on replacement cost and agreed value.

    For replacement cost every carrier has a set number of model years they will provide replacement cost for. For instance, are carriers range from no replacement cost coverage out to 10 models (so long as you purchased it new). Along with the model year limitation be sure to understand if there is a limit to the amount they will pay for replacement cost. One carrier has a max replacement cost of $100,000, that may leave a few people here a little unhappy. Also understand what happens after the replacement cost coverage expires some carriers go to agreed value while others switch to actual cash value.

    When it comes to agreed value be careful of the actual cash value limitation for partial losses. Most policies institute actual cash value coverage on items like motor, outdrive and other operational components after a set number of years. So, your 10 year old boat will, most likely, not have replacement cost coverage for a number of very expensive items in a partial loss situation.

    Just like liability be sure to look at the exclusions. I read one policy that excludes coverage for Named Windstorms if your boat is more 100 miles from the garaging location listed on the declarations page unless you have prior written permission from the carrier. Or the exclusion for damage if intoxicated or under the influence of non-prescribed drugs, could this allow the carrier to deny coverage for use of over the counter cough medicine? That would be up to a court.

    Hopefully this is helpful and prompts people to review their policy or talk to their insurance agent about their coverage. No need to find out there is a limitation or exclusion at claim time!
  • CCool
    • Oct 2017
    • 79

    • Fresno, CA

    • 2019 G23

    #2
    Thanks for the tips, I’m looking for insurance for my new boat and this is helpful.


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    • Infinity
      Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
      • Sep 2017
      • 730

      • Lake Norman - Denver, NC

      • 2014 SV244 w/ ZR409

      #3
      Originally posted by shanesj View Post
      I have noticed several threads on the site discussing insurance policies, mostly around premium paid. Being in the insurance business I would like to point out some areas that everyone should consider when looking at an insurance policy as they can very different and when it really matters at time of claim you may not have the coverage you thought you had.

      The first thing everyone should consider is the reason for insurance. The first reason clients always give for insurance is to replace their “stuff”. While replacing your “stuff” is one reason for insurance, losing your “stuff” will not financially devastate most people. On the other hand, how well can you financially deal with a bodily injury lawsuit with a judgment of $500,000 and 3 years of legal fees? I am going to go out on a limb and say that the lawsuit will be a much more difficult thing to deal with then the loss of your “stuff”.

      These boats are made for sports that can be inherently dangerous, throw in the other people around you who may not be as responsible as you and those who think alcohol and boating are a great idea and you have all the ingredients for something bad happening.

      I would recommend that everyone look at the bodily injury and property damage limits before worrying about the property coverage limits on the policy. Increasing your liability limits from $300,000 CSL to $500,000 CSL is inexpensive. Hopefully you never need to use the coverage but if you do need it you will want every dollar you can get. Along with the limit understand if claims reduce your limit for any other claims during the policy period, also known as an aggregate limit, or if the full limit is available for each claim. Out of the five carriers we represent, only one has an aggregate limit.

      Consider carrying uninsured coverage, that way you can access your policy when some moron hits you and does not carry insurance. Make sure the uninsured coverage limit is the same as your liability limit. No reason to insure the rest of the world for more than you insure yourself. The coverage is very inexpensive.

      Be sure the policy provides coverage for wreckage removal and environmental damage. Most stand-alone boat policies provide this coverage but be sure to read the exclusions for limitations to the coverage. Along the same lines, do not insure your boat on your homeowners policy, normally coverage is inferior to a stand alone marine policy and a claim on the boat may count as a claim on your homeowners policy, you do not want that!

      For physical damage coverage, to the boat, understand what limitations are imposed on replacement cost and agreed value.

      For replacement cost every carrier has a set number of model years they will provide replacement cost for. For instance, are carriers range from no replacement cost coverage out to 10 models (so long as you purchased it new). Along with the model year limitation be sure to understand if there is a limit to the amount they will pay for replacement cost. One carrier has a max replacement cost of $100,000, that may leave a few people here a little unhappy. Also understand what happens after the replacement cost coverage expires some carriers go to agreed value while others switch to actual cash value.

      When it comes to agreed value be careful of the actual cash value limitation for partial losses. Most policies institute actual cash value coverage on items like motor, outdrive and other operational components after a set number of years. So, your 10 year old boat will, most likely, not have replacement cost coverage for a number of very expensive items in a partial loss situation.

      Just like liability be sure to look at the exclusions. I read one policy that excludes coverage for Named Windstorms if your boat is more 100 miles from the garaging location listed on the declarations page unless you have prior written permission from the carrier. Or the exclusion for damage if intoxicated or under the influence of non-prescribed drugs, could this allow the carrier to deny coverage for use of over the counter cough medicine? That would be up to a court.

      Hopefully this is helpful and prompts people to review their policy or talk to their insurance agent about their coverage. No need to find out there is a limitation or exclusion at claim time!
      You are 100% right, I was careful who I choose...and that is a big reason I chose SkiSafe (BOATUS was also similar policy wise and there are other good ones, just the one I went with for my own reasons and the coverage I saw plus fact that they specialize in boating). Its just a perk that SkiSafe was also one of the most reasonably priced. I am always wary of insurance fine print and most of them like to send you about 100 pages of BS. SkiSafe is straight forward, they send you entire policy immediately (and upfront if you request, which I did) which was around 10 pages total and the few exclusions made sense, no mumbo jumbo gibberish. (This sentance you posted above was true of SkiSafe...."I read one policy that excludes coverage for Named Windstorms if your boat is more 100 miles from the garaging location listed on the declarations page unless you have prior written permission from the carrier"......BUT considering I am not near the coast and I rarely travel further than 100 miles, it does not effect me, or I should say it should not effect me).
      I like how they provide the $1k of towing, whether its the boat or while trailering....you do what you gotta do and then they will re-imburse you up to $1k.
      I did get the 300k liability...raising it to 500k would be $60yr more and raising to $1m would be $260 more (so could be well worth it for some people). I left it at 300k cause I also already have an umbrella policy. But this is great information and appreciate the post from someone who would know, since most of us would not. I happen to have worked in restoration so saw first hand how people get screwed by not reading fine print...so its something I always do.

      Very curious who you recommend based on what you wrote??

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      • GMLIII
        1,000 Post Club Member
        • May 2013
        • 2797

        • Smith Mountain Lake, VA (Craddock Creek area)

        • 2017 G23 Coastal Edition H6 | 2001 Sport Nautique | 1981 Ski Nautique

        #4
        I just moved to SkiSafe this week from Progressive

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        • shanesj
          • Nov 2016
          • 68

          • Burnsville,MN

          • 2017 G21 H5 2003 Malibu 23LSV

          #5
          Infinity The choice of carrier comes down to many factors, so saying one is the obvious choice is not possible. Take myself as an example, I am currently insured with Encompass for everything (home, autos, boat, etc..). Encompass provides a very good boat policy and the premium was competitive so it makes sense for me to place the boat with them. However if I was not insured with Encompass for home and auto I would not even have the option to place the boat with them as they do not write mono line boat policies.

          SkiSafe has a decent policy, however there are a few items I found that cause me concern, the pollution language,the $100K cap on replacement cost being another and the aggregate liability limit. I would say that Progressive provides the broadest coverage of any policy I have reviewed, however it also comes down to cost, so if all others things were equal I would use Progressive.

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          • Infinity
            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
            • Sep 2017
            • 730

            • Lake Norman - Denver, NC

            • 2014 SV244 w/ ZR409

            #6
            Interesting. I have seen homeowners with Progressive (who had fire or water damage to home) get lowballed on replacement costs and they fought "real" costs so hard that owners had a hard time getting quality work done and ended up coming out of pocket, so I actually avoided them. I also used to have them for auto and when I was in a "group" accident.....where I was in the middle of a multiple car rear end and not at fault...still didn't end to well. I have seen the same company react/pay differently in the same situation with different policy holders tho, so guess it all is said with a grain of salt. Cause it does not always end the same.
            I have home and vehicles with State Farm and they have been good, plus on homeowners I consistently see State Farm and Nationwide cover people the best in the restoration industry...but since I have a company truck, I got rid of mine recently since I have no use for it and pointless to throw away money. When I dropped the 2nd vehicle it took away my "multi" discount and jacked my rates even tho I also have 2 homes with them right now. So guess I may be shopping again soon, not sure what I am gonna do yet.
            Thanks for heads up, I am gonna look into those things

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            • shanesj
              • Nov 2016
              • 68

              • Burnsville,MN

              • 2017 G21 H5 2003 Malibu 23LSV

              #7
              Infinity I understand exactly where you are coming from about Progressive and claims. However the thing to understand is Progressive is not a home insurance company, they have partnered with other insurance companies to provide a home insurance product under their name. We have access to their home insurance product and only use it when there are no better options.

              Their auto policy is not the best in the market and I do not doubt you had claims issues. However, as I am sure you are aware based on your business, the adjuster makes more of difference than the company. Progressive does a good job of filling niche markets with their auto product but we do not use them for our preferred client base.

              Recreational vehicles (boats, ATV's, motorcycles, etc..) products is a whole different animal and Progressive does a very good job in that area.

              Check with your business auto carrier to see if they write home and if so will they provide multi-policy discount for the business auto policy since you do not have a need for a personal auto policy. We have a couple of carriers that will do that. From what I see State Farms property rates can be high and as you have seen the loss of the multi-policy discount really raises the premium.

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              • Infinity
                Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                • Sep 2017
                • 730

                • Lake Norman - Denver, NC

                • 2014 SV244 w/ ZR409

                #8
                Great info, makes a lot of sense. I did not know the inside scoop on progressive and appreciate the education.

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                • Kenv
                  1,000 Post Club Member
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 1070

                  • Texas

                  • 2021 G23 Previous 2015 G21 2010 226 2005 226 2000 Super Air

                  #9
                  Good info. Yep....State Farm for House and Cars....Progressive for Boat and Camper for me. No way I would pay what State Farm wanted to insure my G21 for....lady freaked when I told her the boat has 409 horsepower...but only goes 39 mph....LOL LOL

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