G23 For Beginner/Kids- Need input

[Shockthis]

No face off Here, all good . I really like the G23 I mean who doesn't . But there are somethings that some boats do better than others, the g will win some and other companies will win some. Right now I do mainly wakeboard, I teach a lot of new people to both sports.

Likes( I know the G has some of these features too)
has a clean wake down to 15-16 mph as it makes it easier when pulling newbies.
wakeboard wake is almost identical to the G
I can work on the engine easily, i.e. impeller, oil changes, fluid changes etc.
I can fold down the tower and easily and tuck everything (including the tower) under the cover at night.
Redundant switches so if the screen dies I can still use the boat.
Power height adjust seat ( was a huge selling feature for the Mrs.)
Subfloor ballast
Not a traded company( it is nice to see that Nautique an Supra manage to stay the course)
Surf pipe
good surf wake( i like it because I ride a skim board)
5-6 min ballast fill times
40k cheaper in Canada than a G23
Not having to ask paying customers to move in the boat( lets face it you always ask the ones that weigh the most to move)

I would love a G don't get me wrong, but I feel I got some cool features and didn't really give up to many things that I would miss, and 40K less buys a lot more family time together which is what it is all about. Plus there are so many G23's on our lake it is nice to have something a bit different from the next guy

If money was no object it would be tough call between a G23, ri257 or the new Xstar!!

This is not our last boat so we may be back in a Nautique in a few years who knows. It is nice to see that there is more choice and they have all stepped up there game.

Back to the OP

The g23 is a sweet boat, you will like it.

[Laptom]

Don't learn to drive in a Ferrari...

By the sounds of it, the 210, 230 or GS will be perfect for you. You can learn all the tricks behind these boats and develop a better foundation on your skills. Plus the change is smaller that your wife or child get intimidated by a wake or wave which is too big and has too much push.

Enjoy the 2xx or GS for 5-10 years and when your kids are teens upgrade to a G when "needed". Imagine how cool you are when you update when they are more aware and when their foundation is solid...

I have a friend who can do Mobe's, 7's, switch, etc behind his own boat, but lacks the foundation to do it behind every boat.

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[CCool]

I truly appreciate all of the responses and commentary. Next step is a thorough demo to see and hear and feel for myself.

Thanks again!


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[Shockthis]

Don't learn to drive in a Ferrari...

By the sounds of it, the 210, 230 or GS will be perfect for you. You can learn all the tricks behind these boats and develop a better foundation on your skills. Plus the change is smaller that your wife or child get intimidated by a wake or wave which is too big and has too much push.

Enjoy the 2xx or GS for 5-10 years and when your kids are teens upgrade to a G when "needed". Imagine how cool you are when you update when they are more aware and when their foundation is solid...

I have a friend who can do Mobe's, 7's, switch, etc behind his own boat, but lacks the foundation to do it behind every boat.

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agreed

[lucky7t]

I kinda laugh at all the “210 is good to learn behind “ posts .

It might surprise you to see a newer 210 surf wake and wakeboard wake . I’ve got friends with G boats . They are a killer boat with tons of room . But I assure anyone that a 210 wake is a great wake either surfing or wake boarding .




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[ironj32]

I don't understand the comments that suggest you shouldn't get a G, because it's too much wave/wake to learn behind, rather you should get a smaller boat and then switch to a G when you're skill level is good enough.

Why eat all that money in depreciation, as well as pay the increased price for a G in 3-5 years (they go up at least 4% each year)? You can certainly learn proper technique behind a G, just as easy as you can behind a 210. Yes, for some tricks you can get away with being lazy behind the G, but it doesn't mean it will prevent you from using good technique. If you were to buy a 210, knowing you're going to switch to a G in 3-5 years, because your skill level is now deemed appropriate, it would seem silly to spend an extra $50,000+ (figure $30k depreciation for a temporary boat, and then another $20k for the G, compared to what it would cost today) .

[scottb7]

ironj32 is right about the depreciation, and that is no joke. these boats depreciate $8-10k per year for first 3-5 years. but then again to lesser extent this is true of not just the g's.

however, i would say the g series and 230 are hardest to get clean wake down to low speeds. yeah, like he says you can get clean wake down to 17ish...i would say that is a maybe, and to many small kids (and my wife) that is still too fast, and crossing a clean wake is a lot easier for beginners than a washy one.

so i don't think there is an easy answer or a one size fits all boat when one considers price, storage, amount of bow rise, amenities, etc. if there was one answer we would all own axis a24's.

[nohlan_4]

ironj32 is right about the depreciation, and that is no joke. these boats depreciate $8-10k per year for first 3-5 years. but then again to lesser extent this is true of not just the g's.

however, i would say the g series and 230 are hardest to get clean wake down to low speeds. yeah, like he says you can get clean wake down to 17ish...i would say that is a maybe, and to many small kids (and my wife) that is still too fast, and crossing a clean wake is a lot easier for beginners than a washy one.

so i don't think there is an easy answer or a one size fits all boat when one considers price, storage, amount of bow rise, amenities, etc. if there was one answer we would all own axis a24's.

The G23 will check all your boxes and then some for sure. Like mentioned above though the G23 is hard to tame down in the wakeboard department. When I bought mine 3 years ago I bought a new wakeboards setup at the same time to get back into wakeboarding. I have only wakeboarded it twice and scared my self even at low speed with no ballast. I have since been practicing on my neighbors X2 to get my feel back. Wakeboard wake on a G23 will be clean to about 18. Maybe with some major weight shuffling you could get 17 but it would be a stretch.

[Shockthis]

Sorry, the 2017 was the SA. Below is a pic of both boats during our demo. I suppose our opinions have a lot to do with personal preference, surf speed, style and side of the boat you surf. On the regular side I find the SA wave very short, not nearly as long as the G23 or RI235/237.




Here is a pic of the SL regular and goofy sides. In my opinion the wave is much shorter in length on the regular
side at 11.5mph than the G or the RI237/257. But it is better on the goofy side.




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And here is a picture of our G wave on the regular side. Sorry but I can't boost this far back on the SL....

Changed some of the settings on the SL, try that out see if it is better, I think the rear port tab was creating to much lift to whole back of the boat

center tab 30-35%
Port tab 80-85%(instead of 95)
Speed 11.2-11.4
Port ballast 75% , nose full , starboard full
two 400lbs sacs under the rear seats (maybe 300lbs each)
pitch 8
roll 5

[Laptom]

I don't understand the comments that suggest you shouldn't get a G, because it's too much wave/wake to learn behind, rather you should get a smaller boat and then switch to a G when you're skill level is good enough.

Why eat all that money in depreciation, as well as pay the increased price for a G in 3-5 years (they go up at least 4% each year)? You can certainly learn proper technique behind a G, just as easy as you can behind a 210. Yes, for some tricks you can get away with being lazy behind the G, but it doesn't mean it will prevent you from using good technique. If you were to buy a 210, knowing you're going to switch to a G in 3-5 years, because your skill level is now deemed appropriate, it would seem silly to spend an extra $50,000+ (figure $30k depreciation for a temporary boat, and then another $20k for the G, compared to what it would cost today) .

I don't understand the comments that everybody needs the biggest, the heaviest, the most expensive boat to perform and that the biggest wake is the best?

I would like to suggest that Nautique has a great line available and please try to demo all the suggested models and check the one you like the best and fits in the end in your financial picture.

Don't get me wrong, I really, really like the G. I think it is the best wakeboard boat Nautique has and what is on the market, but I have small childeren and like other things more than pure wakeboarding nowdays. My next boat could very well be a GS24. Only if it had the cooler in the bottom of the boat (like the G), more board racks and speed control with a paddle wheel (gps works badly on our river).

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[ironj32]

Never did I say he needs the G. The OP asked if the G would be too much. You said not to learn to drive behind a Ferrari - why not, if you are only going to purchase one car? You told the him that he should go buy a 210, 230 or GS and then upgrade to a G in 5 years, once their skill level needs it. I don't think anyones capabilities will ever "need" a G. If they want a G, I don't see the logic in spending $100k+ on a boat that you anticipate you'll outgrow, and switching to a G. You can learn and develop just fine behind a G. If you like the size, fit, finish and features of the G and know you'll move into one, why throw away $50-$60k for a temporary boat?

[72Miles]

There are plenty of boats that will serve just fine to get kids started surfing, including the G. I have taught tons of kids on my G23 in the past 2 and a half summers. The difference it the G23 bows to no one on the top side, so as you 3 get better, you still have a boat that can challenge you.

Honestly if I were in it just for beginning surfers and didn't really care to look past that for now, I might look at the Cobalt or Regal reverse drive boats. I know that's heresy here, but heck if you are worried about getting too much boat, those bowrider surf boats offer decent wakes and are somewhat cheaper and much easier to drive. And those two in particular are high quality builds.

[Wake.BC]

Being totally new to the sport I wouldn’t go for the total beginning boat, but also wouldn’t go for the best of the best. Maybe gs22/24... Mainly because you won’t be able to take advantage of the bigger wakes and by the time you can use them you will want the new latest and greatest boat.


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[thejean]

My first boat was a 23 LSV and after one season, sold it and bought a G. Zero regrets.

I could have lived with the LSV for a few more years but found it lacking in many departments.

I think a 230 is a fantastic boat for most people for many years and would have been my choice as well had I not gotten a good deal on a G23.

[blueroom]

We have new riders, surf and wakeboard, behind our boat all the time. They love it and do great. I have mentioned it here before, I think that new surfers progress more quickly behind the G as there is more to work with. Not many G owners on here recommend that you start smaller when these types of conversations come up. That says a lot to me.

In my opinion, and experience, a GS is best for someone that wants to waterski in addition to surfing and wakeboarding. If that is not a priority, the 2xx and Gxx boats are the better fits.