GS20 Surf Settings?

[Infinity]

Thanks for the rec. I would like to find a used board as I'm not yet sold on the surfing thing so don't want to put a bunch of money into more boards.

The right board makes a HUGE difference (of course a good wave does too but right board for the person is the biggest difference in my experience). I have been getting my brother into surfing who is very athletic....he was using a skim style which of course is not as bouyant and the couple times he tried my SC, he had trouble "feeling" the push and gave up on it pretty quick. He could drop rope and stay in wave 30-60 seconds but would lose it.

I have been telling him that when you get on a new board, especially when going from skim style to surf style....it WILL feel different and perhaps uncomfortable for the first half dozen rides (exact thing happened to me when I moved from my first skim over to a Doomswell Neo) but you gotta stick with it and once you get the feel for it, it will change dramatically and allow you to progress and get better much faster. He finally took my advice last week and pushed thru it (using a surf style board made for his size and weight)....yesterday he was kicking butt and it was only his 2nd set behind boat on new board), he was able to stay in the wave, was starting to figure out the carving part and get from back of the wave back into the main push, etc and he could not stop smiling. When it "clicks" and starts working for you, it happens fast!

Again, obviously having a great wave make a difference as well and my boat has that for sure, but so do the boats mentioned above if you have enough weight. 500lbs of lead makes a BIG difference over stock ballast on every boat and can really take it to the next level. Few boats come from factory with enough ballast to make that wave feel perfect, you gotta do a couple tweaks.

There are plenty of great boards out there that you can find used to make sure this is something you want to do on a regular basis. My brother found a used board with bag for $300 that new probably sold for $750+ 4-5yrs ago. Just gotta keep your eyes open. When starting the volume and size is key....once you are controlling the board well and have learned how to carve, etc and are active on the board (if that is your style)....you will likely want another board anyway, so smart not to spend $1k on beginner board.
Once I learned, I went to less volume board....and now looking to go to a board that is 2" shorter than what is recommended for my weight since I love being very active and the smaller the board, the easier you can throw it around, air, etc. All depends on your style of riding tho.

I sold my Doomswell on the classifieds here at PN, most of the forums have a classified section.....my brother found his used board on Craigslist....you can find some demo or "blemish" models on some sites (I know Doomswell has blemish models sometimes and Nauticurl.com also sells blemish Doomswell sometimes), etc. All that said, I certainly recommend something similar to a Doomswell Neo as a great starter board, but lots of similar boards out there that would be equally great as beginner board. In my area, there are also a couple dealers that will "rent" you a board for $50 for the day and if you decide to buy, its taken off sales price.

Enjoy!!

[stwilli326]

Was going to share video of my gs20 surf wave but app wont let me?


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[Evening Shade]

Hey guys thanks for the tips. They really helped as i was able to go ropeless this weekend. I was staying to far back on the board. Once I moved forward on the board it all clicked.

[charlesml3]

From the LINC Panoray manual:
NSS Setting - used to adjust steepness. 5 is associated with the most vert wakesurf wave, and is also the most likely to be “washy” due to how steep the wave is. Having an NSS setting of 0 would create the mellowest or most ramp-like wakesurf wave, which would also create the “cleanest” wakesurf wave. The factory NSS setting has been set to 0 because with factory ballast, this creates the best all-around wave for the user.

NCRS Setting - used to control steepness and can be used in conjunction with NSS setting. As with NSS, having an NCRS setting of 5 would create the steepest wakesurf wave. An NCRS setting of 0 would create the most ramp-like wave. Unlike NSS, an NCRS setting of 5 tends to create the cleanest wave and having a NCRS setting of 0 tends to create a wave more likely to “wash out”.

Perfect explanation. It's amazing how much debate there is around this. Furthermore:

NSS=0 : Plate fully deployed.

NCRS=0 Plate in the fully upright position (which means it's not providing any lift whatsoever).

[lucky7t]

Hey guys thanks for the tips. They really helped as i was able to go ropeless this weekend. I was staying to far back on the board. Once I moved forward on the board it all clicked.

Great news !

There’s a inland surfer sweet spot for sale here in the board. It’s been repaired but looks nice .


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[kylant]

NCRS=0 Plate in the fully upright position (which means it's not providing any lift whatsoever).

what does this equate to for runability of the boat?
0= the stern sinks the most, bow high?
5= stern rises and bow comes down?
What setting provides the longest wave?
What creates the most push?


With the boat is in "ski assist" what is the setting the NCRS automatically goes to?

Thanks for the info, trying to figure all this out!

[charlesml3]

what does this equate to for runability of the boat?
0= the stern sinks the most, bow high?
5= stern rises and bow comes down?
What setting provides the longest wave?
What creates the most push?


With the boat is in "ski assist" what is the setting the NCRS automatically goes to?

Thanks for the info, trying to figure all this out!

I don't know what you mean by "runability of the boat." When these boats are in Surf mode, they are actually crabbing down the lake.

With NCRS at 0, the plate is doing nothing. It's in the full upright position. With NCRS at 5, it's fully down which means it's providing the maximum lift for the stern of the boat.

In general, NSS=0 and NCRS=5 will produce the longest wave, but this is not always true. There are a LOT of variables. People in the boat, where everyone is sitting, how much fuel is in the boat, speed, current, etc. There's no recipe and you'll have to experiment to get it dialed in.

Push is another variable, but it's more a factor of boat speed than it is wave size. Yes, they are related but in general, if you're not getting enough push, slow down a bit.

I don't know what "ski assist" is. That might be something on the GS or newer Gs that I haven't seen yet.

-Charles

[kylant]

I don't know what you mean by "runability of the boat." When these boats are in Surf mode, they are actually crabbing down the lake.

With NCRS at 0, the plate is doing nothing. It's in the full upright position. With NCRS at 5, it's fully down which means it's providing the maximum lift for the stern of the boat.

In general, NSS=0 and NCRS=5 will produce the longest wave, but this is not always true. There are a LOT of variables. People in the boat, where everyone is sitting, how much fuel is in the boat, speed, current, etc. There's no recipe and you'll have to experiment to get it dialed in.

Push is another variable, but it's more a factor of boat speed than it is wave size. Yes, they are related but in general, if you're not getting enough push, slow down a bit.

I don't know what "ski assist" is. That might be something on the GS or newer Gs that I haven't seen yet.

-Charles

thank you.

"ski assist" is a setting on the GS. supposedly it helps the boat get on plane faster when pulling a skier. I honestly can't tell a difference

there are also NCRS Auto settings, off, med, high. these are use when just cruising. supposedly to get boat on plane faster as well. again, can't tell a difference really

[whitecaps]

I don't know what you mean by "runability of the boat." When these boats are in Surf mode, they are actually crabbing down the lake.

With NCRS at 0, the plate is doing nothing. It's in the full upright position. With NCRS at 5, it's fully down which means it's providing the maximum lift for the stern of the boat.

In general, NSS=0 and NCRS=5 will produce the longest wave, but this is not always true. There are a LOT of variables. People in the boat, where everyone is sitting, how much fuel is in the boat, speed, current, etc. There's no recipe and you'll have to experiment to get it dialed in.

Push is another variable, but it's more a factor of boat speed than it is wave size. Yes, they are related but in general, if you're not getting enough push, slow down a bit.

I don't know what "ski assist" is. That might be something on the GS or newer Gs that I haven't seen yet.

-Charles

Charles,
NCRS at 5 has the plate in the most upward(not down) position which allows the most bow up attitude. This bow up attitude allows the stern to sit further down when under power thus creating a larger wake. The lower NCRS settings are useful for getting up on a plane and perhaps creating the most flat wake when going faster for activities such as skiing. When NCRS is in AUTO it starts with lower NCRS(plate deployed downward) and ramps up as boat planes off. Seems most use NCRS setting of 5 most of the time.

[charlesml3]

Yep, you are correct. Jeez, it's hard to keep this straight.

[MikeC]

thank you.

"ski assist" is a setting on the GS. supposedly it helps the boat get on plane faster when pulling a skier. I honestly can't tell a difference

there are also NCRS Auto settings, off, med, high. these are use when just cruising. supposedly to get boat on plane faster as well. again, can't tell a difference really

The NCRS doesn't just help get the boat on plane - both low and high help the boat get on plane quickly and stay on plane in tight turns. The difference is how large the movements of the hydro plate are...in LOW it moves in smaller increments (lightly loaded boat) in HIGH it moves in larger increments (Heavy weighted boat). If it's OFF the hydro plate stays in the position you set it.

[kylant]

Charles,
NCRS at 5 has the plate in the most upward(not down) position which allows the most bow up attitude. This bow up attitude allows the stern to sit further down when under power thus creating a larger wake. The lower NCRS settings are useful for getting up on a plane and perhaps creating the most flat wake when going faster for activities such as skiing. When NCRS is in AUTO it starts with lower NCRS(plate deployed downward) and ramps up as boat planes off. Seems most use NCRS setting of 5 most of the time.

great info.

now more questions about NCRS plate:
When it is set to 5, fully up; is the plate in-line/parallel to the stern (flat) making a flat running surface off the hull? or is it actually raised above the hull?

5=above hull ?
3=neutral/flat with hull surface?
0=full down?

[Evening Shade]

great info.

now more questions about NCRS plate:
When it is set to 5, fully up; is the plate in-line/parallel to the stern (flat) making a flat running surface off the hull? or is it actually raised above the hull?

5=above hull ?
3=neutral/flat with hull surface?
0=full down?

Yes I do believe that at 5 the NCRS plate is slightly above the hull.

I agree that with whitecaps above that NCRS 5 does help produce the largest wave. When I say largest I don't mean longest. At 5 my boat produces the tallest and steepest wave, but it is very short so its hard to stay in the pocket. NCRS of 3 seems to work better for me. The wave isn't as tall but it is longer.

[whitecaps]

great info.

now more questions about NCRS plate:
When it is set to 5, fully up; is the plate in-line/parallel to the stern (flat) making a flat running surface off the hull? or is it actually raised above the hull?

5=above hull ?
3=neutral/flat with hull surface?
0=full down?

Agree with shade. NCRS at 5 has plate flush with bottom of hull, and maybe slightly inset or upward into recess portion of hull.