Gen 1 vs Gen 2 G23 Info Needed

[Samu]

I have the same boat as you G23 2017.

My reason, why I asked for your setup...

free shipping to Switzerland

Oh, that would be nice LOL. But I'm sure, shipping would be more expensive than the bags ;-)

[GMLIII]

My reason, why I asked for your setup...


Oh, that would be nice LOL. But I'm sure, shipping would be more expensive than the bags ;-)

Probablly so. I would think there would be a steel shot bag producer in Switzerland, if not I would think someone could make them for you cheaper than shipping them from the US

[greggmck]

I have owned 2014, 2016, 2018 and now the 2019 G23. I will say that it is possible to overload the Gen 2 hull with weight in the rear lockers. The 14 could take 400lbs in each rear locker and have a great surf wave. But on my Gen 2 hulls I dont put any weight in the rear lockers. Too much weight in the rear of the Gen2 G23 causes the wave to completely wash out. When we have three or four adults in the rear bench I will remove 10-20% from my rear ballast tanks to avoid wave washout.

As configured I have 900 lbs of lead in my 2019 G and if you ask me it has one of the best waves available. We are a competitive surf family (with two World Wakesurf Championships so we have ridden nearly every boat in competition). We train often with other pros and I get constant accolades on my wave. Competitive surfing is our priority so if I could get a better surf wave on a different boat we would own that boat....

I put 550 lbs on my port side: 150 bow, 150 under front passenger seat, 250 under rear passenger seat. 350lbs on my starboard side: 150 bow, 200 rear seat. We have moved weight around dozens of times and this location has worked out best. However one has to be careful when using full front ballast with this much weight up front to avoid swamping water over the nose when encountering another (or your own) surf wave.

Now I will add that most recreational surfers (not skimmers) run the wave too steep. I did this myself when we were beginners. Steep is great for carving and airs but makes it very difficult for spins tricks because landing a spin trick on a steep wave is monumentally more difficult than landing on a flatter wave. The best wave to help your surfing progress has length and strong push. A properly set up wave plus surfing at the right speed would also help most beginners advance fastest. Too many steepen the wave with weight in the rear section and then lengthen the wave by speeding up the boat. Surfing faster than 11.3mph makes 360s and spin tricks MUCH more difficult. So if you want to progress rapidly set your wave up properly and slow the boat down.

Here is a video of my son, 2018 World Wakesurf Champion behind our boat... notice the flatter wave. But he can still get airs, get way back and land air 3s and air 180s with ease...

https://youtu.be/qkYnDPCtSN0

Good luck!



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[greggmck]

Oh yeah. I will add that we have measured fuel consumption on over 450 hours of combined time (exclusively surfing) on our 2016, 2018 and 2019 G23 each with the H6Di engine. We regularly measure between 5.8 and 6.5 Gal/hour depending upon air temp.

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[JasonAK]

Great information Greg,

Do you have anytime behind a G25? I currently have a 16 G21 but our group size has grown and I have the opportunity to upgrade to a 18 G25. I have been looking for a G23 but the 19s land a little to far out of our budget. It seems to be difficult to find solid feedback of the G25 surf wave, GPH etc.

thanks

[greggmck]

Great information Greg,

Do you have anytime behind a G25? I currently have a 16 G21 but our group size has grown and I have the opportunity to upgrade to a 18 G25. I have been looking for a G23 but the 19s land a little to far out of our budget. It seems to be difficult to find solid feedback of the G25 surf wave, GPH etc.

thanks

Yes, I had a G25 loaner for 6 weeks. It's a great boat. BUT the stock surf wave has much less push than a stock G23. This makes sense because both boats have the same weight of ballast therefore the G25 rides higher than the G23. Since the G25 has more hull surface area it needs much more weight to get the same push as the G23. I have heard from people I trust say a G25 can put out a fantastic wave but it needs about 1200 to 1500 lbs of additional weight to get there. If you regularly surf with a large crew you should be ok with less additional ballast because you will have that body weight to sink it appropriately.

Finally, I load my G23 with 900lbs because I usually surf with just my wife, son and daughter who in total dont weigh very much. When we have two or three other adults I remove about 200 to 300lbs of tank ballast to keep the wave clean.

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[greggmck]

I forgot to add that the G25 with the H6Di engine consumed about 6.5 to 7.2 Gal per hour compared to 5.8 to 6.5 that I measured in my G23s. That G25 fuel burn would increase somewhat with another 1200+ lbs of ballast.

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[Jmulhollen]

Greggmck...what do you have the NSS and NCRS settings tweaked to in that video? Do you change them at all for surf ca skim style?

[greggmck]

Greggmck...what do you have the NSS and NCRS settings tweaked to in that video? Do you change them at all for surf ca skim style?

My son surfed at 11.3mph, NSS 0, NCRS 1 for that video. I surf at NSS 0 NCRS 2 because I prefer a bit more steepness than my son.

For skim we use same settings as my son but run the rear ballast at 80 or 90% to flatten the wave a bit more.

This all assumes I have my regular crew (a total of about 350lbs).

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[greggmck]

Another tip worth mentioning: With novice surfers I will set NSS 0 and NCRS to 3 and run them in a tailwind. This gives them the best chance to stay on the wave because the wave is not too steep and the tailwind helps them.

If my rider can surf comfortably I might bump the NCRS to 4 or even 5 if they have to surf in a strong headwind.

But once the rider has mastered staying on the wave I gradually bring NCRS down to 3 then 2 so they can begin to work on 360s and other spin tricks.

All this assumes a regular side rider.

The goofy side wave is much stronger than the regular side. I almost never run the NCRS above 3 on the goofy side unless the rider wants to huck a monster air for a photo!

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[Wayward]

After owning 3 out of 4 of the boats you demoed (17 G23, 18 XStar, and now a 19 X24), and having two extensive demos on both the Ri235, and 257, I’d say your observations are pretty darn “spot on”.

MC speed volume setup is crap, and I never use it. They at least have the mute soft key, which makes it sort of ok....... but they definitely need to make it work like Nautique does.

One suggestion I would make if you ever demo the Star or X24 again....... don’t use the mellow settings, and bump the speed up. Run the steep wave settings, and bump speed to 11.4mph. I don’t know why MC sets the speed so low, but the wave is much longer, firmer, and much more powerful at 11.4mph. We all know the same about our Gs as well. The wave on a newer G is much better at 11.5-12.0, than it is at 10.8-11.0.

out of all of them, the XStar is my favorite wave, and the easiest to set up and keep clean. While the centurions had really nice waves, they are finicky, and not very “push button” waves. We had some issues with ramfill on one of the demoes as well. The ironic thing about the ramfill setup, was that it only fills half of the system. The other half of the ballast system is single pumps. The Ri237 takes more than twice as long to fill the ballast system than the XStar does (7 minutes versus 3:20). Can’t really complain about that. 7 mins is fast.

There is 2 reasons why the X24 takes longer to fill than the XStar, even with the fast fill option (XStar has fast fill standard. X24 is optional).
1- X24 has about 10% more ballast.
2- X24 has 7 pumps total. XStar has 8. For some reason, the X24 only uses one pump on the KGB tank.

for what it is worth, even the standard slow fill setup on the X24 is pretty fast. It fills and empties 4600lbs in about 7 mins. (4200lbs if running the switchback tank at the recommended level). That brings me to another suggestion for future demoes......... if you want a bigger wave and don’t mind having your crew move around a little to give you that weight offset of a couple hundred pounds, just fill the switchback tank all the way. It gives you another 300-400lbs of ballast.

[Samu]

We all know the same about our Gs as well. The wave on a newer G is much better at 11.5-12.0, than it is at 10.8-11.0.

I think that's a personal feeling. I usually drive/ride at about 11.4

The Ri237 takes more than twice as long to fill the ballast system than the XStar does (7 minutes versus 3:20).

I don't know what you like to do with your boat on your lake, but I really prefer surfing! So, I fill my ballast 1 time a day and that's on the way out to the lake. I would never spend a dollar or a thought on filling time, especially not for 3 minutes.