Wave test?

[FEVB]

https://www.guinnpartners.com/boat-testing/

[Wayward]

Instead of looking at the results vs the Malibu’s in those tests, start looking at the other brands results versus each other...... once you do that, you’ll see the HEAVY Malibu biased in those “tests”.

Anyone who has surfed some of these boats knows that test is BS.

[FEVB]

I have a g23 2019. I had mc and Malibu before. I’ve tested most of the boats listed. No surprise I ended buying the G. Tks for your constructive message anyways.

[Evening Shade]

I'm not sure this wave test passes the smell test. It sure does smell like a Malibu advertisement to me.

I googled Guinn Partners and it looks like they are a for-hire drone video company and not an unbiased testing company such as Consumer Reports.

It says that all boats have stock ballast, but I find that hard to believe. All the Malibu/Axis waves sure do seem much more impressive than the other brands.

Having said that, I sure do wish there was a company that would test these boats and give unbiased reports on their performance.

[Samu]

Of course we don't like test results as this, but have an eye on the malibu wave :P

[Tallredrider]

I think there is some bias here. It says that Malibu provided test boats and equipment. And it is clear that the tests put a Malibu boat against the competition every time, and not against each other because Malibu paid for it all.

Having said that, I think it is clear that surfgate makes a longer wave in general than NSS. That has been my observation as well. I am surprised that they made the Malibu wave taller than the G wave, that has not been my experience. I think the videos are worth a watch, but would not buy a boat based on these without my own test drive.

[blueroom]

Malibu/Axis makes a wave that looks pretty awesome. I remember when we demoed an Axis T23 a couple of years ago with stock tanks and a little extra plug and play. The wave was tall and long and super clean looking - it looked beautiful. But, it didn't surf that way - a surprising lack of push and was really more of a big clean roller. If it had surfed how it looked we would have bought it, especially for the price. The new Malibu LSV was similar. It seems to be a Surf Gate thing.

[Bottlefedsi]

I agree, seems too Malibu biased to be a true test. I too have had a 16 A22, 17 22MXZ, 18 G23 and now a 19 G23. The wave is impressive looking no doubt, thats pretty much why we bought the Axis and not the 210 in 2016 but to be fair it was our first wakeboat, so what did I know. I will admit the Axis was a great boat for the money but the MXZ was nothing short of a pile of crap, it broke down all the time and was in no way double the boat compared to the Axis. When we moved from the Malibu to the G it was soo hard to believe these boats were in the same class, the G made the Malibu look like an entry level boat, not one of their flagship models. Its funny how the article is only about the wave, if you compare the boats in all other aspects I dont think the Malibu would receive another high remark, but what do I know, I am Nautique biased LMAO

[FEVB]

I'm not sure this wave test passes the smell test. It sure does smell like a Malibu advertisement to me.

I googled Guinn Partners and it looks like they are a for-hire drone video company and not an unbiased testing company such as Consumer Reports.

It says that all boats have stock ballast, but I find that hard to believe. All the Malibu/Axis waves sure do seem much more impressive than the other brands.

Having said that, I sure do wish there was a company that would test these boats and give unbiased reports on their performance.

Very well put notably in places like where I live. No demo boats

[ffmedic74]

Think its great for at least this type of technology to more accurately define attributes of the wave in a non biased way. Wish a company had no fianncial interests though. Hopefully the technology will be further refined in the next few years thus raising the bar even further on design/quality.

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[sbaird4000]

Having surfed behind both a 23 LSV and 230 extensively, I feel confident in saying that both Malibu and Nautique are capable of producing a great surf wave. I personally didn't make my decision to purchased based on which boat made the "longest and tallest wave" such as those videos depict. I made my choice based on which wave surfed and felt the best to me. For example, the 23 LSV I've surfed endless hours behind makes an extremely tall and well shaped wave. However, in my opinion, the wave isn't nearly as customizable as the 230 and furthermore, doesn't have nearly as much push far back as the 230. Those videos are a bit misleading to newcomers currently in the market because it's leading people to believe that taller and longer is better. In a reality, I'd personally rather have a wave that is not as tall or as long, but is firmer and produces more push. Size truly isn't an end all determining factor in my mind.

[greggmck]

It's important to recognize marketing oriented comparisons such as this one vs. non-biased comparisons one might find in Consumer Reports. To me this comparison is meaningless.

In my opinion the best way to understand which surf boats produce a great surf wave is to surf them for yourself on both sides. Very few people actually objectively evaluate different boats before forming an opinion which is why this type of marketing review even exists.

Another is to examine which boats are used in and by competitors. Surf competitions must attract 70 to 100 competitors to be financially viable. If competitors dont enter the competition it will not continue to occur. Nearly every surf competition is pulled by Centurion, Nautique, Supreme and Supra. That is for a reason. Most boats are fine for tooling around on a skim board or carving on a surfboard. But performing at ones best requires a wave that produces solid push. Size and the look of the wave is actually less important. But clearly that wont stop marketing departments from coming up with a specious test like this one to generate demand.

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[Evening Shade]

Very well put notably in places like where I live. No demo boats

Exactly. It’s not easy for everyone to demo boats. Smaller dealers don’t always have every boat model available in stock so you can compare 2 different models in the same day. And I don’t feel right asking an out of territory dealer to let me test a boat when I can’t buy from them. At minimum it is very time consuming to demo boats if you factor in driving time.

[xxrb2010]

If you want more opinions on this marketing campaign, go to the Malibu crew forum, they almost ended up with insults. I think @greggmcksummarized it best.

From a marketing stand point, if Malibu can sell the notion that size is the end game in surfing to the average surf boat buyer population, then they will sell of lot of boats with such a video.

I personally have no opinion on the matter as I only surf a G21 so far and I prefer wake-boarding.

My only comment is that push is really important when I surf. Sometimes I got a lot of push and believe surfing is fun and sometime it is like I got nothing on my G21 and really dislike surfing. Always full ballast and same speed, NSS, NCRS settings. I am not sure if the issue is the rider who sucks at it , or how busy is the lake. Does not really bother me as I do surf when I am done with wake-boarding.

[XBIGPUN66]

Could be depth. We usually need 10-13 ft or more for optimal push.

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