Wave test?

[greggmck]

Could be depth. We usually need 10-13 ft or more for optimal push.

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Really good point. Shallow water can kill the power behind the wave.

Foot placement is also critical. Start by placing the ankle bone of both feet on about the center line of your board. This weights the toe side and causes the board to turn into the wave while the wave pushes back to reach equilibrium. If ones weight is on your heels, the non-wave side of the surfboard, the board will turn away from the wave causing the wave push to be lost.

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[xxrb2010]

I will go for the later explanation about the rider sucking at placing his foot . The lake is about 50-70 ft deep where we surf, so definitively not a depth issue.

Thanks for the advice,

[blueroom]

My only comment is that push is really important when I surf. Sometimes I got a lot of push and believe surfing is fun and sometime it is like I got nothing on my G21 and really dislike surfing. Always full ballast and same speed, NSS, NCRS settings. I am not sure if the issue is the rider who sucks at it , or how busy is the lake. Does not really bother me as I do surf when I am done with wake-boarding.

I have mentioned this same thing on here before. There are ton of variables that go into wave quality, some of which you never see. Besides wind, etc. the big one we figured out last summer is flow direction in reservoirs, even if you don't feel it. As most people in the west, we ride in a deep reservoir (100-300 feet) that has little surface flow - you can sit in the water and and you and your boat will go the direction the breeze is blowing. You don't necessarily go downstream, so there is no apparent current. But water flow deeper in the lake, which is really a big wide river (and perhaps some kind of underwater topography) seems to have huge impacts on the wave. This has gone a long way to explaining that feeling of why the wave was awesome in the morning, so what happened to it. We know which direction to go in various areas of our lake to get a far better and longer wave with way more push.

[xxrb2010]

Interresting last point,

I guess there are a lit bit of that and the rider not really good at it. Will see if the time of the day and direction is consistent with the lack of push next summer.

I guess we are all waiting for spring to come.....

[scottb7]

all i can say is that i have surfed my g21, and my friends axis a22, and a24. they are easier to setup and just as good as mine....

[ST3]

all i can say is that i have surfed my g21, and my friends axis a22, and a24. they are easier to setup and just as good as mine....

What do you mean by easier to set up? Less tweaking with lead, etc?



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[Wake.BC]

Malibu make the same exact wave every single time with pretty much any combination just changing length and height. That’s why so many people like it. The wave is absolutely idiot proof. Well maybe..,


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[greggmck]

Malibu make the same exact wave every single time with pretty much any combination just changing length and height. That�s why so many people like it. The wave is absolutely idiot proof. Well maybe..,


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How are they easier to set up? Is setting NSS 0 and NCRS 3 difficult?

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[Tallredrider]

How are they easier to set up? Is setting NSS 0 and NCRS 3 difficult?

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Judging by the lengths of the many threads about how to set up a boat around here, it seems more difficult than that for many folks.

[Wayward]

Judging by the lengths of the many threads about how to set up a boat around here, it seems more difficult than that for many folks.

Just as many setup threads on TMC, explaining about needing a bow bag on top of the seats, and offsetting weight for the starboard wave. Literally everyone talks about those things on every model.....constantly. (With the exception of the 25LSV not needing a bow bag, and the M235 not needing a bow bag if you don’t run plug and play in it.)

im not saying they aren’t easy to set up. They are. But they most certainly have their drawbacks, and some of those things are things that some people will absolutely not deal with (Like a bow triangle on the seats and an external pump).

lets not pretend that everyone isn’t also dialing things in on their Malibu’s too....

[Tallredrider]

I do think in the grand scheme, Malibu is generally more idiot proof out of the box. Nautique a close second. Now this was a 2016 model, but a Centurion I was on was not producing a great wave, so the guy was online where he learned 67% ballast here, 85% there, another ballast 100% full, this tab at 6, the other tab at 8, and step up the speed to this much, and on and on it went - No thank you.

It isn't that Nautique and Malibu owners don't do some of the same things, but I don't think they have to in order to get a pretty decent wave right out of the box.

[ST3]

Judging by the lengths of the many threads about how to set up a boat around here, it seems more difficult than that for many folks.

I’m not trying to be a smart ***. This is a legit question from someone new to this game. Folks with Malibu and Axis don’t use lead or move things around to optimize the wake? This is unique to G?


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[greggmck]

I�m not trying to be a smart ***. This is a legit question from someone new to this game. Folks with Malibu and Axis don�t use lead or move things around to optimize the wake? This is unique to G?


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It all depends upon your objective. In competition EVERY boat is outfit with extra weight to produce a wave that competitors will rave about. It's all about getting the most push out of the wave.

On the other hand its fine if one is surfing or skimming on a boat that has a stock wave. But if that's your preference you probably dont want or need more in your wave. Not everyone strives for the optimal outcome.

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[greggmck]

I do think in the grand scheme, Malibu is generally more idiot proof out of the box. Nautique a close second. Now this was a 2016 model, but a Centurion I was on was not producing a great wave, so the guy was online where he learned 67% ballast here, 85% there, another ballast 100% full, this tab at 6, the other tab at 8, and step up the speed to this much, and on and on it went - No thank you.

It isn't that Nautique and Malibu owners don't do some of the same things, but I don't think they have to in order to get a pretty decent wave right out of the box.

You are so right about Centurion. I love the wave, I have to, as it is the boat I most frequently surf behind in competition. It is the boat used at Worlds too. So last season I trained frequently on the Ri237 and it was not easy to get the same wave every day. In my opinion there were WAY to many settings to contend with. In that time I missed the simplicity and consistency of my G.

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[Tallredrider]

I’m not trying to be a smart ***. This is a legit question from someone new to this game. Folks with Malibu and Axis don’t use lead or move things around to optimize the wake? This is unique to G?


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Keep in mind the folks on these forums are not your typical user. Most average Joes who throw down 6 figures on a boat just wants to hit the surf button and have a really good wave. I think the G does that very well. Surfgate waves are generally good out of the box also.

I thought I would really work hard to get the biggest, most montruous wave possible on my G23, so I bought 1100 pound sacs and was looking at how I was going to have them plumbed in. But every time I went to the lake, the stock wave was pretty dang good, and I didn't see how much more fun I was going to have on the improved wave, so I left it stock. I hardly ever wished for more. Tuning with a little lead and various ballast configurations can be really fun for some people, others just don't have time for that. People from all manufacturers play with lead and different ballast, as Gregg said.