Help figuring out surf features

[Gschofield62]

First time out today for a surf. Can someone please help me figure out what the different features do? What do the different NSS settings do? What do the different NCRS levels do? Any help with what each of these do would be a huge help. Also how much ballast should we use for surfing? Wakeboarding? Either our wave is too steep or too long and I dont know what to set each to.

[greggmck]

First time out today for a surf. Can someone please help me figure out what the different features do? What do the different NSS settings do? What do the different NCRS levels do? Any help with what each of these do would be a huge help. Also how much ballast should we use for surfing? Wakeboarding? Either our wave is too steep or too long and I don't know what to set each to.

I feel your pain. NSS and NCRS are not easily understood...at first. Here is a primer:

NCRS (Nautique Configurable Running Surface) is the center tab. For surfing, most beginner surfers leave it at the default surf setting of 5. 5 produces a steep wave with powerful push. 0 indicates the tab is fully deployed which will lengthen the wave. As you get better you may want a longer less steep wave because this makes 360s and spin trick easier.

NSS is the Nautique Surf System. The G23 actually makes its wave by cleaning up the wave interference from the non-surf side and yawing the rear of the boat. When surfing the NSS tab will deploy on the non-surf side. This plate will cause drag on the non-surf side yawing the rear of the boat on the surf side into the direction of travel. The lower side of your G has hull contours that then shape the wave.

If you are a beginner surfer you probably want the biggest wave to make it easy to stay on the wave. In this case, use NCRS 5 NSS 0.

If you are a skim board rider you probably want a flatter wave because skim boards have low resistance and are easier to ride on a flat wave. In this case use NCRS 2 or 3, NSS 0

Finally, the starboard side wave (goofy rider) is naturally more powerful than the port side wave (regular rider). This is due to the rotational torque of the 17" prop. You may find the goofy side too steep. You can address this by reducing NSS by one or two settings to what you might use for regular side riders.

You can also balance the waves and boat by putting 200lbs of lead under the front side passenger seat.

Good luck!

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[2019 G21]

I thought NCRS at 0 was full down plate, not up? As in at 0 it is shoving the bow down, lengthening the wave.

[Mfish7]

I feel your pain. NSS and NCRS are not easily understood...at first. Here is a primer:

NCRS (Nautique Configurable Running Surface) is the center tab. When fully deployed it will effectivelly push the bow down. For surfing most people leave it at the default surf setting of 0. 0 indicates the tab is not deployed (full up) position. This allows the stern of the boat to sit lowest in the water producing a more powerful wave.

NSS is the Nautique Surf System. The G23 actually makes its wave by yawing the rear of the boat. When surfing the NSS tab will deploy on the non-surf side. This plate will cause drag on the non-surf side yawing the rear of the boat on the surf side into the direction of travel. The lower side of your G has hull contours that then shape the wave. Increasing NSS will extend the plate further, causing greater yaw, resulting in a steeper and more powerful wave.

If you are a beginner surfer you probably want the biggest wave to make it easy to stay on the wave. In this case use NCRS 0 NSS 5.

If you are a skim board rider you probably want a flatter wave because skim boards have low resistance and are easier to ride on a flat wave. In this case use NCRS 0, NSS 2 or 3.

Finally, the starboard side wave (goofy rider) is naturally more powerful than the port side wave (regular rider). This is due to the rotational torque of the 17" prop. You may find the goofy side too steep. You can address this by reducing NSS by one or two settings to what you might use for regular side riders.

You can also balance the waves and boat by putting 200lbs of lead under the front side passenger seat.

Good luck!

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This was great info, thanks for the help, we had our 19 g23 our for the second time today and I was getting on here to ask the exact same question.

[greggmck]

I thought NCRS at 0 was full down plate, not up? As in at 0 it is shoving the bow down, lengthening the wave.

Good catch. Yes I had it reversed. NCRS 0 is full down. 5 Will make the wave more short and steep. Thanks!

[Gschofield62]

I feel your pain. NSS and NCRS are not easily understood...at first. Here is a primer:

NCRS (Nautique Configurable Running Surface) is the center tab. When fully deployed it will effectively push the bow down. For surfing, most people leave it at the default surf setting of 0. 0 indicates the tab is fully deployed which will lengthen the wave.

NSS is the Nautique Surf System. The G23 actually makes its wave by yawing the rear of the boat. When surfing the NSS tab will deploy on the non-surf side. This plate will cause drag on the non-surf side yawing the rear of the boat on the surf side into the direction of travel. The lower side of your G has hull contours that then shape the wave. Increasing NSS will extend the plate further, causing greater yaw, resulting in a steeper and more powerful wave.

If you are a beginner surfer you probably want the biggest wave to make it easy to stay on the wave. In this case, use NCRS 0 NSS 5.

If you are a skim board rider you probably want a flatter wave because skimboards have low resistance and are easier to ride on a flat wave. In this case use NCRS 0, NSS 2 or 3.

Finally, the starboard side wave (goofy rider) is naturally more powerful than the port side wave (regular rider). This is due to the rotational torque of the 17" prop. You may find the goofy side too steep. You can address this by reducing NSS by one or two settings to what you might use for regular side riders.

You can also balance the waves and boat by putting 200lbs of lead under the front side passenger seat.

Good luck!

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Great info. Thanks very much. Were going out again tomorrow so I'll start with those settings.

Here's another question. How do you pair a go pro to the panoray?

[greggmck]

Great info. Thanks very much. Were going out again tomorrow so I'll start with those settings.

Here's another question. How do you pair a go pro to the panoray?

I found this document posted by someone else last year that worked on my 2018 and 2019 Gs.

Things to know:

Using the LINC Panoray preview with a GoPro will consume the GoPro battery about twice as fast as without the preview.

When the GoPro battery has died you must completely power down the boat and bring it up again to reconnect with the GoPro after reinstalling the battery or it will not reconnect.



GOPRO / LINC Instructions:
Download GoPro app to your (or the customer’s) phone
Follow the GoPro app instructions for connecting a new gopro

Once the GoPro is connected via Wifi and Bluetooth, test it by making sure you can control the GoPro through your phone and stream video to your phone. This part is tricky because the GoPro camera has both types of wireless connection and both are used when you pair the camera to your phone.
If you are unsuccessful connecting the GoPro to your phone, you must rectify this before attempting to connect to the LINC Panoray. Before re-trying a connection between the GoPro and your phone,

You must go into your phone’s Bluetooth menu and forget the GoPro.
Then you must go into your phone’s Wifi menu and forget the GoPro wifi connection too.
Then you must go into the GoPro app and delete the GoPro.
Sometimes you also have to go into the GoPro camera’s settings and reset WiFi
Once all three or four connections are forgotten/deleted/reset, then you can attempt to connect the GoPro to your phone again.

Once you establish a functional connection between the GoPro and your phone, you do not need your phone anymore, however, you must disconnect your phone’s WiFi from the GoPro before proceeding to the next set of steps.

Here are the steps to connect the GoPro to LINC Panoray:

On your phone, go to the WiFi settings and disconnect your phone’s Wifi from the GoPro if it’s still connected.

On the GoPro, make sure Wifi is still turned ON

On the GoPro, navigate to the menu which displays the camera Name and Password – remember or write them down. You will not need to do anything further with the GoPro for the connection process. Do not start a pairing or connecting request via the GoPro’s built-in menus.

On the LINC Panoray GoPro page, go to NEW GOPRO CAMERA and scan for new GoPro cameras.
Select your GoPro and enter the password when prompted.
Wait up to 30 seconds for the Connection status to change to CONNECTED.
On the Control tab of the GoPro page, tap the preview graphic to start the preview and proceed with using the system.

[Gschofield62]

I feel your pain. NSS and NCRS are not easily understood...at first. Here is a primer:

NCRS (Nautique Configurable Running Surface) is the center tab. When fully deployed it will effectively push the bow down. For surfing, most people leave it at the default surf setting of 0. 0 indicates the tab is fully deployed which will lengthen the wave.

NSS is the Nautique Surf System. The G23 actually makes its wave by yawing the rear of the boat. When surfing the NSS tab will deploy on the non-surf side. This plate will cause drag on the non-surf side yawing the rear of the boat on the surf side into the direction of travel. The lower side of your G has hull contours that then shape the wave. Increasing NSS will extend the plate further, causing greater yaw, resulting in a steeper and more powerful wave.

If you are a beginner surfer you probably want the biggest wave to make it easy to stay on the wave. In this case, use NCRS 0 NSS 5.

If you are a skim board rider you probably want a flatter wave because skimboards have low resistance and are easier to ride on a flat wave. In this case use NCRS 0, NSS 2 or 3.

Finally, the starboard side wave (goofy rider) is naturally more powerful than the port side wave (regular rider). This is due to the rotational torque of the 17" prop. You may find the goofy side too steep. You can address this by reducing NSS by one or two settings to what you might use for regular side riders.

You can also balance the waves and boat by putting 200lbs of lead under the front side passenger seat.

Good luck!

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So should the ncrs still be 0 and NSs 5? What about ballast? Should all the tanks be full?

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[greggmck]

No. Best stock wave for a beginner surfer that wants lots of push is the default: NSS 0, NCRS 5

From the manual:

NSS Setting - The factory NSS setting has been set to 0 because with
factory ballast, this creates the best all-around wave for the user.

NCRS Setting - used to control steepness and can be used in conjunction
with NSS setting. As with NSS, having an NCRS setting of 5 would create
the steepest wakesurf wave. An NCRS setting of 0 would create the most
ramp-like wave. Unlike NSS, an NCRS setting of 5 tends to create the
cleanest wave and having a NCRS setting of 0 tends to create a wave
more likely to “wash out”.

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[greggmck]

So should the ncrs still be 0 and NSs 5? What about ballast? Should all the tanks be full?

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NSS 0, NCRS 5. All ballast full.

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[Gschofield62]

NSS 0, NCRS 5. All ballast full.

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Ok thank you. I will change it to those settings. When would I start to think about changing the settings and which would I change first?

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[kylant]

I thought NCRS at 0 was full down plate, not up? As in at 0 it is shoving the bow down, lengthening the wave.

oh boy, this is all confusing now
so what is correct about the NCRS??

0 is fully down plate, making the stern ride higher on the water and the bow down?
does this must make the wave longer??

5 is plate fully up, causing stern to ride lower in the water, bow up.
this creates the wave to be shorter and steeper, correct??

NSS, higher number equals steeper wave/ramp, correct?

[nohlan_4]

oh boy, this is all confusing now
so what is correct about the NCRS??

0 is fully down plate, making the stern ride higher on the water and the bow down?
does this must make the wave longer??

5 is plate fully up, causing stern to ride lower in the water, bow up.
this creates the wave to be shorter and steeper, correct??

NSS, higher number equals steeper wave/ramp, correct?

Yes you are correct on all of that.

[greggmck]

Ok thank you. I will change it to those settings. When would I start to think about changing the settings and which would I change first?

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Spending much of my summer traveling around the country with my family to compete in wake surf competitions and training with dozens of other competitors I have never seen a SURFER set NSS at anything other than 0. Skim may use different settings but I don't skim so I have no opinion on this.

For surfing NCRS is the setting you will change. 5 is steepest and where to start to get the most push. NCRS 0 is flattest.

As you get better you will want to evolve NCRS to be lower. IE. 4, then 3, and perhaps even 2. But 2 is a pretty flat wave good for landing very difficult spin tricks. My son surfs on NSS 0, NCRS 2.

Here is a demo of him on an NCRS 2 wave. https://www.instagram.com/p/ByEud-8h..._web_copy_link

[greggmck]

oh boy, this is all confusing now
so what is correct about the NCRS??

0 is fully down plate, making the stern ride higher on the water and the bow down?
does this must make the wave longer??

5 is plate fully up, causing stern to ride lower in the water, bow up.
this creates the wave to be shorter and steeper, correct??

NSS, higher number equals steeper wave/ramp, correct?

Yes, when I wrote the original post I mistakenly reversed the NCRS and NSS settings and did not even notice until now.
My apologies and I have corrected the post.