The G23 is just oh so right

[kylant]

Don't worry. That's either a misprint or someone clearly left a crack pipe in the GS22's glove box.......

ok.

i don't understand why everyone hates on the GS. I think that comes from people who have no experience with them or just can't accept the fact that the GS line does it all.

[kylant]

Can you explain why the GS22 was an upgrade over the 230?

I don't necessarily think it is a straight across the board "upgrade." it depends on what the boat will be used for.
I was not happy with my GS20, so I set out looking for a new boat. My wife and I still waterski, so that was a consideration. We narrowed our choice down to the 230 or a GS22
I looked at and demoed a 230. I skied it, I did not surf it. The surf wake, without pro ballast, was smaller than the GS22 without pro ballast.
I understand the 230 has a great wave when it is weighted down. The GS has a great wave with stock and pro ballast. I don't know which is better.
The 230 was skiable, but not as nice as the GS. I don't wakeboard anymore, so didn't check that out.
I really like the traditional styling and the tall freeboard of the 230, but the new design of the GS is more appealing. Other than that, the 230 seemed dated.
The freeboard on the 230 is really not that much taller than the GS. On the trailer they look very close, maybe a few inches different. The 230 rode higher off the water, which was a consideration for rougher water.
The bow on the GS is much bigger, better for the kids. The cockpit seemed much bigger on the GS. Storage was about the same.
In the end, I bought the GS22 and I am very happy with my decision.
I had the ability to buy either boat, or the G. But for our use at this time, the GS was it. If we stop skiing, I will buy the G

[blueroom]

The GS is a great boat. I don't think people really hate on them, they just want people to be sure they know what they are getting.

I have spent time in a GS22, and worked on customizing the wave. It is truly an awesome boat - great looking, well built, solid lines, stores easy, handles amazing and really does deliver a pretty good waterski/wakeboard/wakesurf experience. The key word is good. Where people get a little excited is when others start to compare it favorably against Nautiques other purpose-built boats. The GS will never be as good of a skier as the Ski Nautique, it will not make the same surf wave as the G or even the 230 when set up correctly (yes, I said it and I stand by it) and it's wakeboard wake again is decent. But, you will also never ski behind a G - if you do, you deserve the punishment you will get. : )

Cost and other factors aside, I think the GS fits two main purposes:

1) A boat for someone who wants a good all-around boat to use with all disciplines and at most riding levels.
2) A boat for someone who wants to check out the various aspects of the sport and see what they like to do, progress some, and then move on to a more purpose-built boat.

Of the people I know personally that have purchased GS boats, they have all absolutely loved them, but have all moved on to other boats that fit their riding preferences a little better. I would say that most of them fall into number 2 above - or at least got there if they started at number 1. None of them have regrets, and did well with their resale, but have been pretty amazed with what their new boats can do.

Again, not hating on the GS at all. If you have one, or want one, that is is awesome and I know you will have a ton of fun on it and it will be a great experience. You can do a lot with tuning and tweaking to make each discipline shine. Heck, some days I wish I had a boat that we could ski behind. You really can't go wrong with any of the Nautique boats, they are all incredible.

As to kylants points above, I don't disagree and they seem well-reasoned. If I was in the market for a boat and was deciding between a GS and 230, I would have some concerns with the freshness of the 230 as well. I would say that kylant is at a 1.5. : )

i don't understand why everyone hates on the GS. I think that comes from people who have no experience with them or just can't accept the fact that the GS line does it all.

[markj]

The GS is a great boat. I don't think people really hate on them, they just want people to be sure they know what they are getting.

I have spent time in a GS22, and worked on customizing the wave. It is truly an awesome boat - great looking, well built, solid lines, handles amazing and really does deliver a pretty good waterski/wakeboard/wakesurf experience. The key word is good. Where people get a little excited is when others start to compare it favorably against Nautiques other purpose-built boats. The GS will never be as good of a skier as the Ski Nautique, it will not make the same surf wave as the G or even the 230 when set up correctly (yes, I said it and I stand by it) and it's wakeboard wake again is decent. But, you will also never ski behind a G - if you do, you deserve the punishment you will get. : )

Cost and other factors aside, I think the GS fits two main purposes:

1) A boat for someone who wants a good all-around boat to use with all disciplines and at most riding levels.
2) A boat for someone who wants to check out the various aspects of the sport and see what they like to do, progress some and then move on to a more purpose-built boat.

Of the people I know personally that have purchased GS boats, they have all absolutely loved them, but have all moved on to other boats that fit their riding preferences a little better. I would say that most of them fall into number 2 above - or at least got there if they started at number 1. None of them have regrets, and did well with their resale, but have been pretty amazed with what their new boats can do.

Again, not hating on the GS at all. If you have one, or want one, that is is awesome and I know you will have a ton of fun on it and it will be a great experience. You can do a lot with tuning and tweaking to make each discipline shine. Heck, some days I wish I had a boat that we could ski behind. You really can't go wrong with any of the Nautique boats, they are all incredible.

As to kylants points above, I don't disagree. If I was in the market for a boat and was deciding between a GS and 230, I would have some concerns with the freshness of the 230 as well. I would say that kylant is at a 1.5. : )

Very well put. My sentiments exactly.

[StagNW]

Kylant and Blueroom, great explanation. I agree with you guys.

I have been set on a 230 for a while now and so when I read a statement like "upgrade" I just want to understand why they think that and what they mean. I'm definately looking for a more purpose built boat and do not have the skillset to justify a G. My wife loves the look and feel and feel of the GS series. I wish we could get some more info on the illusive GS24.

[mikenbike211]

ok.

i don't understand why everyone hates on the GS. I think that comes from people who have no experience with them or just can't accept the fact that the GS line does it all.

Kylant, I completely agree. It really seems like everyone hates the gs. I personally think they haven�t owned, or been behind one dialed in. I have 3 complaints about it, however. I loved the battery switch door next to the driver in the other lines, trash specific door (hate the one under the seat), and I wish it had more freeboard. I have lead in the boat with a decent amount in the bow, and with people sitting in the bow, it�s extremely easy to swamp.... I know, this issue is created by myself... but still hate it, regardless of how much better the wake is.


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[kylant]

Kylant, I completely agree. It really seems like everyone hates the gs. I personally think they haven�t owned, or been behind one dialed in. I have 3 complaints about it, however. I loved the battery switch door next to the driver in the other lines, trash specific door (hate the one under the seat), and I wish it had more freeboard. I have lead in the boat with a decent amount in the bow, and with people sitting in the bow, it�s extremely easy to swamp.... I know, this issue is created by myself... but still hate it, regardless of how much better the wake is.


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I agree.
I think the storage could have been thought out better. I hate the fact the 2 batteries take up a whole section under a port side seat.
the cooler and garbage can could have been placed in a better spot similar to the other boats.
your right about the bow. I am used to a low bow, my 2000 Air was even lower. had to be really careful with that boat.

[BoatGuy2019]

Can you explain why the GS22 was an upgrade over the 230?

That’s easy for me:

1) The first 60 seconds I throttled down my new (at the time) GS22, I looked over to my wife and her and I were thinking the same thing... this thing handles SO much better than our 2017 230. I believe the stringer design is more in line with the G series where the 230 is a bit more economically put together if that’s right to say? We could easily feel the difference between the two with the GS being much more “”solid”” feeing.

2) Handles so light on its feet... like a sports car.

3) Interior storage was a BIG step up from the 230 (sacs vs. no sacs was part of that) but regardless they’’re is just more.

4) Much more room in the bow.

5) Transom seats were a huge plus for what we wanted.

6) Interior design was better than the 230. Personally I think the G series will go this direction in the near future.

7) Better looking exterior hull design and color design/pattern options.

What we didn’’t like compared to our 230:

1) I think the surf wave in the 230 was a bit taller and definitely smoother.

2) The GS line sits so low in the water. It’’s a very “flat” boat from the side profile and that took some getting used to for us.

3) With no ballast filled, the platform sits too high out of the water for my crew at about 5” inches above the water line. I have little kids so this was a bit of a pain as they always required me to put the ladder down.

4) With ballast full, this boat sits low in the water fellas!

For us the GS22 was hands down a better boat than our 230.


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[StagNW]

That’s easy for me:

1) The first 60 seconds I throttled down my new (at the time) GS22, I looked over to my wife and her and I were thinking the same thing... this thing handles SO much better than our 2017 230. I believe the stringer design is more in line with the G series where the 230 is a bit more economically put together if that’s right to say? We could easily feel the difference between the two with the GS being much more “”solid”” feeing.

2) Handles so light on its feet... like a sports car.

3) Interior storage was a BIG step up from the 230 (sacs vs. no sacs was part of that) but regardless they’’re is just more.

4) Much more room in the bow.

5) Transom seats were a huge plus for what we wanted.

6) Interior design was better than the 230. Personally I think the G series will go this direction in the near future.

7) Better looking exterior hull design and color design/pattern options.

What we didn’’t like compared to our 230:

1) I think the surf wave in the 230 was a bit taller and definitely smoother.

2) The GS line sits so low in the water. It’’s a very “flat” boat from the side profile and that took some getting used to for us.

3) With no ballast filled, the platform sits too high out of the water for my crew at about 5” inches above the water line. I have little kids so this was a bit of a pain as they always required me to put the ladder down.

4) With ballast full, this boat sits low in the water fellas!

For us the GS22 was hands down a better boat than our 230.


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This is great, thanks for sharing your opinion.

I see your display shows a 2019 G23? It seems like all roads lead to the G23 around here!!

[XBIGPUN66]

So I guess the question is do you want the performance of the 210/ 230 as far as the wake/ wave or do you want the the looks/ rear facing seats? I will take the wave/ wake every time. On my second 210.

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[GMLIII]

From experience as a G23 owner rear facing seats in ever regard are lame at best , just saying

[ClearAz]

I am also interested in an in depth comparison of the two from someone who has actually owned them both. I have very little experience surfing (just this year). The GS22 with pro ballast seems plenty tall but I seem to want more length. I would not say I have it dialed in at this point after just 5 hours and a broadcast beginner board. I did not like how the G drove at all, and I really enjoy the handling of the GS. I also ski, so the GS has been great for us so far.

Have you added any lead? The GS seem to like weight Mid ship and bow and will give you more length.

[cptotr]

Yup. Killer wave! Beautiful boat.

Super tall wave, but we felt one would surf so high on the wave that any new surfers would feel like they were falling off a small mountain. Seriously. Also The positioning of the wave compared to the boat, we also felt like new riders would be slamming the boards into the back of the boat when the fell backwards.

Steering was crazy hard/heavy and this bit also likes to ride very high in the bow which my wife didn�t like.

And lastly, the flip up, rear facing center seat.... it�s heavy and extremely Ackward to open and my wife didn�t have the strength to open it, so we said no thank you.


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We saw either an x24 or x23 at the lake today surfing. I couldn�t actually see which one, but know it was one of those two because it had the transom seats. The one thing I really noticed was how high the bow was while surfing. I can�t believe I didn�t get a picture, but it was unreal. It did look like a lot of the crew was towards the back and I�m sure how they had it weighted exactly, but it looked like it would�ve been impossible to see where they were going. Dang near a 45 degree angle.


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[Adrenaline1]

Have you added any lead? The GS seem to like weight Mid ship and bow and will give you more length.

No I have not added any lead.

[Wayward]

For future reference- if any of you happen to demo an X24 again, try it out with the speed bumped up to 11.8

actually, try it at 13mph as well.

Not it sure why MC sets the stock profile speed at 10.8. The wave is tall/steep/shorter at that speed. Wave is incredible, and VERY long at speeds that are appropriate for the boat. 11.7-12.2 with a small crew, and 11.8-13mph if you have a bigger crew.

also, instead of putting the 250lbs under the observer seat like you would in a G. Put the lead in the bow (100lbs under each bow seat). That gets the bow down enough for the driver to easily see, and lengthens out the wave.