Anyone made the step from Nautique to Centurion!?

[Soul_surfer]

Hey guys, been thinking to change my current boat before the warranty ends (2016 Nautique 210)

Always liked Nautique maybe because it’s the only brand I never had any issues with all the time I keep them (3-4years) but that’s just a personal opinion.

Want to upgrade a bit from my 210 but still keeping under 22’ (lake restriction)
Ive looked other brands like Supra and really like it, but as I said I had 2 raptor engine and both kind of a little disappointment comparing to PCM.

Nautique isnt the best in wakesurfing now too, the NSS is a bit old school haha but in my own opinion any other brand have the style, fits/finish and «*prestige*» of SAN. Still a personal opinion.

But since 2016 CorrectCraft aquire Centurion and **** I fell in love with those boats!
All the good side of Nautique and all the tech of Centurion.
PCM engine etc.

Question is.. who have owned a 2016+ Centurion? Or have done a step from Nautique to Centurion?
Looking for reliability advice, etc.
Dont Know yet if I have the balls to turn away from Nautique.
Just a bit scared of buying another and be desapointef like I’ve done with Malibu and Tigé.
Since Ri 217 seems to be off now, I think the Fi could be a great comprise between my 210 and g21
Your thoughts?

Thanks !

[ducatidesmo]

Id argue that the NSS is the reason I went to Nautique. A bit of background: my 18 230 is my first boat, and I wasn't even looking at Nautique at the time. My main selection was Malibu, Mastercraft and Centurion) Gas consumption put the malibu out fairly quickly in my decision making process. The centurion... I'll be fair, the number one reason that i x'd it in my list was because of the dealer. They wanted a deposit for me to turn the boat on... that was the end of that. I was fill tilt on Mastercraft until I just happened to see Pacific Nautique sitting on the highway. I come in and the first thing that was said is... "You need to really feel this boat, you have time to take it out?" That and the quality sealed it for me.

My question is, what do you feel is dated on the Nautique?

[markj]

He says the NSS is dated. Not sure how that makes any sense. I love how it works and there's not another surf system out there that looks better.

[migs]

Good luck with your stiff neck everytime you see a nautique drive by if you switch brands.

[Soul_surfer]

I always been a Nautique fan, like I said it’s the onl’y brand we never had trouble with.
Im a wakeboard/wakesurf instructor here in Canada and we change our boat every few years. I have the chance to try many, many boats when I’m doing home instruction.

NSS was the thing 10years ago, it really changed the surf game!
But others used it and perfected it, it’s sad but true.
for my opinion NSS and surfgate are kind of outdated for surfing.
centurion/supra have better surfwise technologies.

But Nautique have plenty other pros that make them the best boats to buy.
rock solid reliability, fits and finish like no other brand on the market.
with Nautique you just know every little details are fine thinking and absolutely no round corner cut.
thats mainly why people buy Nautique and we love so much our boats!

if you have the chance to try the surfwave on a 2018+ Supra SA compared to a G21 you will notice the difference in the push, in few aspect of the wave.
but you have a raptor engine (such is a downgrade from pcm for my opinion) you have an ok vinyl quality etc.
dont get me wrong, they make amazing wave! Far from correct for most people and G series still my favorite wakeboard boat.

Thing is I rided behind a Ri217 last weekend and really got me wondering haha.
since 2018 Centurion use almost every components of Nautique, same PCM engine, same pumps, windshield, electronics, same vinyl company, etc.
just few things like are different and both owned by CorrectCraft.
And really the quality is there! Fits and finish isnt so different, Nautique have better interior but Centurion better styling.
i was feeling like every pos of the 2 brands are now in one boat.
you delete the conservative of Nautique, you keep the Centurion technology and you have the best of both world :P

thats just my 2 cents

[charlesml3]

Sounds to me like you've already made up your mind, but I'm not even sure what problem you're solving. You're going from a 21' boat to a 22'. I doubt you'll even be able to tell the difference.

-Charles

[Soul_surfer]

My choice is far from already made.
just posting on what I’m thinking.

passing from a 210 to a G21, maybe less than a feet difference but I can surely said they are day and night difference between the 2
would love to compare the Ri217 with the G21 since it’s more Apples to apples but Centurion drop the model for 2020 to the new Vi series.

seeing a difference between a 210 and a Fi21, only the test drive Will respond to that.
but since I’m not changing till 2020 that give me almost a year to correctly setup my mind.
sure I will test both, sure I Will surf both.
juste wondering if any members have been thrue the same state of mind.
had regret it or not.

[offshorejay]

I made the switch from a 2017 210 to a Centurion Fi23 this spring. Both great boats. Nautique continues to deliver an awesome package on the 210, but what a difference going from a hull that dates back to 2007 (with very minor changes and the addition of NSS) to a hull that came to market for 2018 in the Fi.

[markj]

I’m still laughing at the “NSS being old technology” comment. What do you think Centurion and Supra use? They use trim tabs that have been around for over 50 years!

[Soul_surfer]

I’m still laughing at the “NSS being old technology” comment. What do you think Centurion and Supra use? They use trim tabs that have been around for over 50 years!

You can still laugh all your life lol.
Truth is. When NSS came out 10years ago (or some) it was the thing. It really changed the surf game.
Like Surf Gate from Malibu but Nautique System was far better for my humble opinion.

since then almost no addition has been made, yes because you don’t change a good working receipe.
Like the Nautique hulls, they haven’t changed so much since 10years.
Nautique is kind of conservative and this is not a « bad » thing.

fact is, tell me a brand that used trim tabs FOR surfing in a position that don’t block water and juste push it before 2014?
It have none.

NSS and surf gate are wake plates that really works and NSS is by far the most reliable since actuators are completely safe.
but they sacrifice more push then Centurion, Supra, Tigé system.. it’s just a fact.

what makes me laugh is people who Have too much ego to admit NSS is not the best surf system on the market RIGHT NOW lol..
its a good one and you don’t buy a Nautique only for surfing. You buy a Nautique for the reliability, for the well built, for all the good things that makes a Nautique boat a Nautique.
including a good surf system.

why do you think CorrectCraft invested in buying another brand?
for their reliability lol or because they wanted their built quality lol?
They bought it because they wanted to reach a market that grows.
a market who think paying 100K for a boat is better to concentrate on what’s behind the boat than the inside.
Centurion was completely in a Hi since 2013. Their surf technology is really Impressive (including ramfill)
but they were lacking in reliability, engine wasn’t top either.
Being part of Nautique family was just the best move because now Nautique share all their components with them.

yeah but why Nautique don’t take techs from them?
Why would be needed? Nautique are specialized in giving the best boat on the market,
they now have an entry line that focus on the sport instead of the boat
and have a line that focus on the prestige and wellbuilt for people who don’t mind paying the price.
Both are from the same manufacturer lol, they are brother company why so much hate?
Really don’t understand lol
and you never surfed behind a 2016+ Centurion or Supra that’s for sure lol.

[markj]

I regret posting on this stupid thread. The OP is talking in circles with badly broken English and I feel like I just stepped in dog poop. Lesson learned...

[MikeC]

Since this thread is going anywhere near answering his original question of has anyone gone to Centurion and if so what did they think...most likely because most of us haven't switched - I'll add my 2 cents.

As far as old technology goes, the G series boats first came out in 2013, NSS in 2014. So unless you have a 5 year old child that you consider old - it's still new technology. Centurion uses a trim tab, yes it's a freaking trim tab on the back of the hull. And to say that the trim tab has been around for 50 years would be a gross understatement, let's go 150 or more.

One of Centurion's drawbacks has been their use of a deep V hull, like an I/O runabout, this makes for a good surf wave but also susceptible to balance problems. They do have a flashy design but they still aren't a Nautique.

Why did Correct Craft buy Centurion? To make money. Period.

Same manufacturer? No. Centurion is a wholly owned subsidiary of Correct Craft, which also owns Nautique. If you're using that logic to say Nautique and Centurion are from the same manufacturer you'd also have to say that Sea Ark, Bass Cat, Yar Craft and Supreme are also from the same manufacturer. They are all owned by the same corporation - and remember the same company that owned Cadillac also owned Geo, same manufacturer? Same product? I think not. Different design teams, different design goals, different in every way except for where the profits go.

I've always loved the workmanship, fit, finish, and quality of Nautique, but it's their simplicity in design that makes me stay with them. From the clean interiors to the sport shift (they used a little plate that went down about a quarter of an inch behind a small channel in the hull to lower or raise the stern - simple, effective, reliable, you can't see it) and to the NSS. What other manufacturers were doing by hanging things off the transom (surfgate, the wedge, trim tabs) Nautique made a design tweak to the hull to accommodate the plate that slides into the wake - again, simple, reliable, functional, clean. And please don't forget when you're talking about Nautique being conservative - they patented the wakeboard tower!

I don't think there's a wake boat on the market now that is truly a bad boat, some are much better than others, but none are bad. It comes down to personal opinions and preferences. If I was thinking about switching to Centurion I think I'd go to a Centurion forum and ask their opinions about their boats.

[MikeC]

These are trim tabs by the way - on the 2020 Centurion Opti-V hull. The V hull with trim tabs has been around as long as boats have been around. Just go to your local runabout dealer and look at the rear of their boats.

[Soul_surfer]

Update on the post.

yeaterday I went to see my Nautique (And Centurion) dealership as is the same.
The dealership owner (since it was himself that sells my Nautique) wanted to try both a G21 and ri217 since Vi22 is not yet available but he says the boat will more likely be like this one instead of fi21but it’s really a behind the 2 models (Fi21-Ri217).

first of all, no built quality isn’t there. You clearly see the difference in comfort, design enven sewing.
first thing that popped me is the mechanism to open the seats. Centurion is only basic hinge, Centurion had about 60hours since it was a 2019 demo and few seats was already loose... and 2 wasn’t capable to let them open, always got to hold it and gab things with the others hand.
Gelcoat is very thick instead, colors are flashy too that surprises me because gelcoat thickness usually take a hit when boats are less expansive.
centurion can’t really compete with the « style/prestige » of Nautique in my own opinion.


JL audio always be a better choice for audio system.
But preferred the tower speakers of Roswell at wakeboard speed. (G21 had the basic 4x 7.7 JL)
thats something I would change on my next purshace. All the JL audio audio/amps with dual Roswell tower speaker like I’ve done on mine.
Screen software is really great with Centurion, tons of different setting too for the wave. That’s a plus.
but for the « easy to use » SYNC all the way.
The sound of the engine is very noticeable difference between the 2.
I was thinking the engine noise was an engine thing (PCM over RAPTOR)
but it’s much more company insulation.

the wave.
filling all 3,500 pounds of subfloor ballast in 1min just wow! And the other factory ballast filling while you surf is pretty fun seeing the wave grow bigger and bigger when riding.
was impressed that Centurion use Jabsco pump too. They really are the best and more reliable pumps on the market.
Wave is big with all factory ballast, bigger than G21. But the wave is more mellow. more push when you put surftabs all the way (like having NSS at 0)
but really G21 throw a really steep wave, vertical that is incredible for

G21 really feel larger and comfortable, everything just built perfecty.

And finally came to a decision. I’m not ready to make the switch. Probably never too.
wave difference is not THAT big. Centurion larger, more mellow so I guess better for skim, quicker to fill but I can totally live without it.
Centurion have really great pros. But I don’t think it can compete with Nautique.. some things I cannot live without it is built quality.


Thanks to all