Nautique Releases G23 Paragon

[mintmonkey]

Jeff,
Here are a couple of questions if you get a chance.
Does it require premium fuel?
How does the transom storage compare to a G23, especially 2019 and back? I can probably comfortably fit 5+ surfboards in my 2018.
And, most importantly, how’s the surf wave compare?


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Same XR7 engine as is available in the rest of the G line so will definitely require premium.

[srock]

I'll be inside one of these this afternoon. Anything in particular you guys want to see?

Your checking account balance.

[Kenv]

Your checking account balance.

Shiiit....Checking account??? It's gonna take 401K and an IRA.....LOL

[GMLIII]

Jeff, I'd really like to know what this exhaust port for?



How many of these design aspects will eventually make it to a new G23? Seems silly to have all the tooling for just a limited run hull... I bet we see a new G-series hull line eventually make it to the market based on this design.

The new Linc dual displays are a win for me! I never liked switching away from the engine data screen just to do ballast or some other control. Having 2 screens is money IMHO! I also like they ditched the Seadek on the dash for vinyl... never really liked the look of it.

I'd also like to see more or the overall hull design including inside compartments. Looks to be an entirely new top deck as well because the few storage spaces they show are different shapes. The batteries have been moved making for a cool space in the floor as well. That tiny cooler is a joke though!

I'm guessing the tower will not fold at all based on the design and they didn't show it.

It is for the stern thruster as an aux exhaust while thruster is in operation

[core-rider]

It is for the stern thruster as an aux exhaust while thruster is in operation

HUH... seriously!?! Why do you need auxiliary exhaust while using the thruster? It is electric right!?! I've not noticed this on other boats with the thruster, but then again I don't know that I've seen a factory-mounter thruster boat transom view to possibly see the additional exhaust thru-hull.

[GMLIII]

HUH... seriously!?! Why do you need auxiliary exhaust while using the thruster? It is electric right!?! I've not noticed this on other boats with the thruster, but then again I don't know that I've seen a factory-mounter thruster boat transom view to possibly see the additional exhaust thru-hull.

Needed because bubbles are produced from main exhaust which would cause performance issues with thruster so they moved exhaust away from thruster

[Kenv]

HUH... seriously!?! Why do you need auxiliary exhaust while using the thruster? It is electric right!?! I've not noticed this on other boats with the thruster, but then again I don't know that I've seen a factory-mounter thruster boat transom view to possibly see the additional exhaust thru-hull.

. Jason....it's on all boats with the thruster.

[greggmck]

HUH... seriously!?! Why do you need auxiliary exhaust while using the thruster? It is electric right!?! I've not noticed this on other boats with the thruster, but then again I don't know that I've seen a factory-mounter thruster boat transom view to possibly see the additional exhaust thru-hull.

ANY thruster will cavitate if the exhaust gas is piped into the water next to the thruster while the boat is not moving very fast. As mentioned the extra exhaust opening is active only when the boat is idle and so the thruster can operate efficiently in clear water.

[greggmck]

The more I look at the Paragon the more I like the design. To be honest when I first saw the boat I was underwhelmed, but originally I had the same thoughts about the new Ski Nautique. However after watching the walk-through and design videos the Paragon makes all other boats look old! I re-watched the M240 walk-through and all I could think of was this looks like a boat that is 10 years old now. Wow, congratulations on the forward thinking design and advancing the state of the art!

I also love the layout of the cockpit. It's got to be the best in the business. I love the rear entry board storage. Some see this as a problem, but we store 5 or 6 custom surfboards in the rear lockers. I love that in the Paragon the surfer can pull the board from the rear access transom area without dragging the boards into the boat because fins and vinyl don't get along well. Adding sea deck in place of locker cushions is brilliant because people always walk on this area and they become a nuisance to keep clean. With the rear seating there is no reason to have vinyl on top of the lockers anyway.

The only issue that I can't get over is the weight, 7400 lbs dry? The hull has the same beam, length and fuel capacity as the current G23 so where is the 1500 lbs of additional weight coming from? The added dry weight means more horsepower is needed to push the boat even without ballast, greater towing capacity is required, a 3 axle trailer at a minimum and greater boat lift capacity? I believe XR7 engine requires premium which is more expensive and not as easily available on the water. The XR7 burns much more fuel than the H6Di so my $8,300 annual fuel bill now goes to what $14-$16K? Why not use advanced manufacturing techniques to make the hull LIGHTER then increase the weight with fast fill ballast?

I guess I will withhold my final opinion until I get a chance to surf the Paragon but my G is very dialed in and my wave bar is pretty high...

[Tallredrider]

Just a quick look and I kinda like the lines of it... there are several things that make me think Pavarotti though!

I don’t see nearly $100k over a “standard” G23 though and I don’t see 49 getting built much less sold!

Agree there shouldn’t be options on this boat... it’s a “luxury tow boat”... it should come with everything for whatever cost.

600# less ballast but 1500# heavier dry weight... wonder where the weight came from? Can’t all be in the tower!!!


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EDIT: the base price of a G23 with standard motor and no options is 165K for 2019. It isn't even close to 100K when you factor in the engine.

In case nobody caught it, this hull is taller and about 1500 pounds heavier. I still find it hard to beleive that they decreased the ballast, even with the heavier hull.

The telescoping tower is awesome, awesome awesome!

All of the diamond stitching in the vinyl reminds me of Tige.

They will sell all of them. It wouldn't surprise me if I see 5 of them in my area alone. Some rich folks here who want the best of the best.

That transom access from the rear is painful. Waiting for the hydraulic lift of the entire hatch is even more painful. The most painful is when the actuator breaks and you are stuck with the transom up position. This will happen.

[scottb7]

ANY thruster will cavitate if the exhaust gas is piped into the water next to the thruster while the boat is not moving very fast. As mentioned the extra exhaust opening is active only when the boat is idle and so the thruster can operate efficiently in clear water.

I wonder if any consideration was given to putting the thruster in the bow. Could have been in the water only when used and out of the water when on plane.

[RDT-G23]

Daddy likes. As for the comment about the engine cover actualtion, Cobalts have had these for almost two decades with few issues; yes, it is slower, but nice. Did I say Daddy likes?

[greggmck]

I wonder if any consideration was given to putting the thruster in the bow. Could have been in the water only when used and out of the water when on plane.

Yea a bow thruster would be ideal but it would not be an "easy" factory retrofit, it would require hull changes. I suspect the stern mount was "easier" to design and manufacture with existing assembly line assets.

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[c640947]

while i know "wakeboarding" doesnt sell wakeboarding boats anymore, nothing has been said about the wakeboard wake on this thing. Can we assume it is on par with or better than the regular G23?

And I agree with the weight thing.... many folks had to upgrade to 3/4 ton trucks and 8000-9000 lbs boat lifts with the G23 but this thing will potentially cause the need for yet another set of secondary upgrades. Its heavy and tall. Plus just cruising around the lake it is 1500 lbs heavier than my G.... doesnt sounds very friendly.... to shoreline, kids /beginner wakeboarding, gas tank, etc. Its not a money thing, its more handling / performance issue etc. Maybe this is just meant to be a Pavati competitor and fill a space the market has unfilled right now ... all the options at a higher cost. I guess that goes back to what everyone is saying: is it really worth 100k over a regular G from a performance standpoint?

lets put those rear seats and some of that styling on a regular G and Im in (and not make the regular G any taller or heavier). Go with fill-able ballast over dry weight please.

[migs]

Jeff - Is the wakeboard wake same/bigger or smaller than the G23’s?