2016 G23 abnormal interior wear

[bignicolet]

Wondering if any other G23 owners have had any vinyl issues with the passenger observer seat wearing with the double seat fit. Mine is rubbing against the pop up observer seat causing the vinyl to crack. If the Observer double seat is down first there is no problem but if the pop up seat is down it pinches the vinyl and is causing cracks and abnormal wear. The dealer would not warranty it for the previous owner, and the skin is $800, I think it is a fitment or design issue so I am taking it to a vinyl shop this week to modify it. Has anybody else seen this?

[nohlan_4]

I’m having the same issue on my 2013 and going to get it repaired this off season.


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[robertsmcfarland]

I also have slight wear on mine, but not to the point of replacing..once I notice it years later I would be the one that either left it up or down for an outing..but when I put the boat on lift and put cover on... I will lay seat down but keep clam seat up ,for me does two things,, keeps seat and back from deforming while boat not being used and second, never get any discolor or mildew between vinyl ..

[GMLIII]

Wondering if any other G23 owners have had any vinyl issues with the passenger observer seat wearing with the double seat fit. Mine is rubbing against the pop up observer seat causing the vinyl to crack. If the Observer double seat is down first there is no problem but if the pop up seat is down it pinches the vinyl and is causing cracks and abnormal wear. The dealer would not warranty it for the previous owner, and the skin is $800, I think it is a fitment or design issue so I am taking it to a vinyl shop this week to modify it. Has anybody else seen this?

Just curious as to why dealer would not honor the warranty to prior owner. I would think this would be a warranty item for both the prior owner and you as second owner.. Could be the placement of the seat hinges were installed incorrectly thus advancing the wearing issue on the vinyl

[Kmayotte]

Can confirm that my observer seat on my 2016 hits the flip up seat in approximately the same way. Maybe not as badly...and no signs of wear. Perhaps we open it much less.

[Bevostein]

I was told by dealer to lift up flip up seat before opening the observer seat. I can’t say I’m consistent about it but I try.

[nautiquegeek]

Nautique is adamant about straight tight lines in their interior design which leads to best interior fit, finish and look of any wake sports boat on the market. With that being said and as noted in an above post, you must lift the rear facing latched observers seat located on the port side prior to lifting up the observers seat or "love seat" located port side closest to the windshield. If this is not done, it can lead to excessive wear as seen in your case. Unfortunately not everyone is good at disclosing the standard operating procedures of their inventory or models.

[scottb7]

Can confirm that my observer seat on my 2016 hits the flip up seat in approximately the same way. Maybe not as badly...and no signs of wear. Perhaps we open it much less.

yeah, mine is tight there too on the 2014 g21...maybe not as tight, so far no wear or cracking that i have noticed.

[scottb7]

NUnfortunately not everyone is good at disclosing the standard operating procedures of their inventory or models.

You don't really mean "standard operating procedure" do you? Is it in the manual that comes with the boat? What page? You mean helpful hints, right?

p.s. "which leads to best interior fit"...maybe better than other mfgs...but still lot's and lot's and lot's of room for improvement..i.e. seadek placed crooked as heck, and how about all the people with engine hatches crooked, and nautique claims the engine overheated b.s....

[nautiquegeek]

You don't really mean "standard operating procedure" do you? Is it in the manual that comes with the boat? What page? You mean helpful hints, right?

If you buy a new car is it stated any where in the manual not to drive with your parking brake on? I would assume that not twisting your stereo knobs past their stops would be considered SOP more than a "helpful hint". Same goes for knowing that if your seat seems hard to open, maybe one should consider lifting the latched observers seat; wouldn't you? Anyone who owns a new Nautique knows these seats are tight; and one time is about all it takes to realize that the slight inconvenience of opening the latched observers seat makes the task much easier and virtually eliminates any wear to that particular part of the upholstery. However, we can't expect some owners to ever get it.

Back to the parking brake. Would you expect your auto dealer to cover the parking brake pads under warranty if you drove around with brake engaged every day? Again, highly doubtful it's mentioned in most manufacture's owner's manuals that release of the PB is SOP, but I sure as heck would consider release of a parking brake standard operating procedure. Call it what you will; I used the term standard operating procedure.

[nautiquegeek]

p.s. "which leads to best interior fit"...maybe better than other mfgs...but still lot's and lot's and lot's of room for improvement..i.e. seadek placed crooked as heck, and how about all the people with engine hatches crooked, and nautique claims the engine overheated b.s....

Of course, there is ALWAYS room for improvement but I could say this about any new higher end product. Nautique in general is eons ahead of most other major manufactures and competitors in terms of interior materials, fit and finish but keep on mind these are not "custom" boats. There is such a fine line in the manufacturing process where build times/cost and quality teeter back and forth. Consumers already complain about the cost of wake boats; move build times from two months to 12 months to three years to build a G23 boat and I guarantee interior, glass lay up, gel and every other aspect would probably be absolutely flawless. However, the cost would be astronomical in terms of labor cost added.

[scottb7]

"eons ahead,,,in terms of interior materials"...Tell us more. How are they ahead? Does nautique have the cool vinyl yet that others have had for a few years? If so why did they lag the market for so many years?

[bignicolet]

Just curious as to why dealer would not honor the warranty to prior owner. I would think this would be a warranty item for both the prior owner and you as second owner.. Could be the placement of the seat hinges were installed incorrectly thus advancing the wearing issue on the vinyl

I am the third owner so the warranty wouldn’t transfer, we had the previous owner submit and it was denied.


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[nautiquegeek]

"eons ahead,,,in terms of interior materials"...Tell us more. How are they ahead? Does nautique have the cool vinyl yet that others have had for a few years? If so why did they lag the market for so many years?

My quote was "Nautique in general is eons ahead of most (NOT ALL) other major manufactures and competitors". If you can name two wake sports manufactures or 10 of any other brand under 150k or even under 100k (the price you can buy a new 2020 SAN210 at) that has a better interior please post them. There are literally 100s of manufuctures in the same price range as a Nautique and I assure you many are not is at the same level. I'm truly sorry if you can't tell the difference in materials or finish of a Nautique interior from others; some folks are just not objective about quality and let personal feelings get in the way of their logic. I feel you are just arguing for the sake of arguing and that's ok, as that is normal protocol on any forum. I am never afraid of any banter on here

Nautique has looked in to cool touch materials in the past and at this time none have met the standards Nautique is looking for in terms of wear, look and feel. Can this change in the future? Sure it can. It is a known fact the cool touch vinyls MC uses has some issues with durability, difficulty in cleaning due to the deep grainy textures as well as reactions to some sun screens and cleaners contrary to what MC Team Talk forum members claim. Does cool touch stay cool? As I could tell, yes. I was quite impressed how cool the dark brown interior on a new X24 was that I spent some time out on the water in. Many manufactures in the wake boat world pull their materials from the same manufactuere; Nautique just happens to pull theirs from the top shelf.

I could never understand the reasoning of people bashing a product non stop on a brand dedicated forum; especially from someone who owns the product as well.

I am all for constructive criticism to help produce the best product out there; I wish there was more of it.

[Evening Shade]

Wondering if any other G23 owners have had any vinyl issues with the passenger observer seat wearing with the double seat fit. Mine is rubbing against the pop up observer seat causing the vinyl to crack. If the Observer double seat is down first there is no problem but if the pop up seat is down it pinches the vinyl and is causing cracks and abnormal wear. The dealer would not warranty it for the previous owner, and the skin is $800, I think it is a fitment or design issue so I am taking it to a vinyl shop this week to modify it. Has anybody else seen this?

I had the same fit on my 2011 210 and on my current GS20. As stated by someone above, I always raise the rear facing seat (210) or remove the adjacent cushion (GS20) when raising and lowering the love seat to avoid wear on the skins. You can also push forward on the love seat bottom cushion as you lower it so that it makes minimal contact with the rear facing observers cushion in the lowered position.

It's the nature of the design. A hinged seat cushion can't rotate down into its resting position without contacting the adjacent cushion unless there is an inch or more gap between the two cushions . I had to get used to this with my 210 because the design was different than my Malibu. On the Malibu the love seat back was the only hinged part. The love seat base was a separate, removable cushion.