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  • Team230
    • Oct 2015
    • 251

    • Cincinnati, OH

    • 2008 Super Air 230 TE

    Dealer Frustration

    I have to vent.

    I bought a custom ordered 18 G23 in May of 2018. The dealer transcribed one of the interior colors wrong on the order sheet (white instead of gray for the primary interior color) and I did not catch it (mistake #1) when I signed off on the order sheet. Nautique of course built to the order sheet - when it was delivered...I was heart broken, but the only immediate option was to wait for another boat. Mind you, I had already sold my other boat (2008 230 SAN) and I had a vacation planned at Norris lake in early June. Add to all of this my anticipation of a brand new boat (my first ever) and the fact that I only have my kids 50% of the time...not having a boat was not an option - at least in my mind at that time. The dealer assured me that they wanted me to "be happy" with my purchase and would make it good. We agreed that I would use the boat and see if the white would grow on me AND I trusted them with their commitment to make it good (Mistake #2).

    For the next two years, I had no less than 15 conversations with them about this. With each passing month, they asked me if the White was working for me and each time, I told them that I wanted the gray because it felt more "custom" to me, which is what I was going for. Each time they continued to assure me that they would make it good, but never once did they offer me a remedy (mistake #3 - I should have asked for one). So after the season last year when I took my boat in for warranty work, I insisted they offer me a remedy. I would go into detail on their lack of urgency on this and what it took for me to finally get to today, but you would think I was exaggerating...their lack of urgency and response is astounding (they better hope Nautique never offers another dealership locally). When Adam W from Nautique was in town for their Christmas Party, I asked for a meeting with him too because I believe Nautique has skin in this game too. Why would they create a system to build out your boat online and then require their dealers to transcribe this information to an order sheet manually? This is 2020...isn't it? Anyways, Adam said "this just does not happen - it's not a problem with our ordering system." Come on...I don't buy that. I know it happen to me and I have a hard time believing I am the first. In any event, Adam agreed to consider the situation and get back to the dealer.

    A month goes by and I hear nothing which is disappointing because if there is a deal to be had, then marketing my boat at the boat show is a great opportunity for both of us to minimize my investment and their risk in the deal. After 4 requests and missed commitment after missed commitment to send me the deal sheet, low and be hold...the deal they are offering me on a 2020 is 1.2% better (additional 1.2% off MSRP) than the deal they offered my when I bought my 18 G originally. The trade value on my boat is also extremely safe on their side of the deal too. I pressed them to do better on the sale price and minimize or eliminate their profit to save a customer...nope. They held firm...no movement.

    Leading up to the deal sheet, they assured me they just wanted me to be satisfied and my approach all along was I did not want them to lose money to make this right. Even by selling me the boat at or near cost, my suggested investment was substantial considering there are no major changes that I care about between an 18 and 20 (the back seats don't excite me), but they seem to care more about selling one boat and profit, than keeping a Nautique customer for life.

    I cannot see myself giving this dealer any more of my money (outside of emergencies). I'm seriously bummed right now. I love my G23 and I cannot imagine owning something else, but I cannot imagine driving 2 hours to the next nearest dealer either. I actually worked a deal at the boat show on a X24 and it was nice...but I cannot wrap my head around owning a MC just yet. Plus that investment was 2x what I was willing to spend.

    Ok- venting over. I'm sure there are a ton of people here willing to point out all the mistakes I made along the way...they are very easy for me to see too and I can assure you my gut was telling me I was making mistake after mistake, but I was going on what they were saying..."we are committed to making it good" and, frankly, I was putting in good money to acknowledge the 200 hours that I put on my boat (stored on the trailer, never stored on a lift or in the water, well maintained - inside and out). Point being...I want to live in a world where a person word means something.

    Please don't ask the dealer name. I'm not interested in sharing that.
    Last edited by Team230; 01-27-2020, 11:29 AM.
  • core-rider
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Feb 2004
    • 1345

    • Huntsville, AL

    • 2003 Black SANTE

    #2
    Why not just work a deal for new, correct interior? Seems like the easiest, least expensive solution to me... I don’t understand getting an entirely new boat just because of an interior color being wrong. Especially when obviously this is nothing that kept you from using your boat... 200 hours in 2 seasons according to you. I get your frustration... I had a similar issue but with only 1 seat base when I ordered my boat in 2003. It took 2 years and 2 seats made incorrect but I finally got what I ordered (which was custom by Nautique) but never did it keep me from enjoying my boat and using it, just an annoying OCD thing for me.

    You spent a good bit of money on your boat, and should get it the way you want... you admit your fault there so it’s not just on the dealer or Nautique... expecting completely new boat at whatever price you deem is unreasonable IMHO!

    If you want a new boat that’s on you... not the dealer or Nautique. I’m assuming there have been no other issues with your boat’s function or the dealer’s service when saying all this since you did mention it.


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    Jason
    All black 2003 SANTE
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    • NautiqueJeff
      A d m i n i s t r a t o r
      • Mar 2002
      • 16454
      • Lake Norman

      • Mooresville, NC

      • 2025 SAN G23 PNE 1998 Ski Nautique 1985 Sea Nautique 1980 Twin-Engine Fish Nautique

      #3
      Originally posted by Team230 View Post
      Please don't ask the dealer name. I'm not interested in sharing that.
      Then you might want to take it out of your post.
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      • core-rider
        1,000 Post Club Member
        • Feb 2004
        • 1345

        • Huntsville, AL

        • 2003 Black SANTE

        #4
        Originally posted by NautiqueJeff View Post

        Then you might want to take it out of your post.
        I was going to mention that too, but decided he’d probably rant at my post anyway.


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        Jason
        All black 2003 SANTE
        -- Southern Fried --

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        • JACOB11379
          • Jan 2020
          • 111

          • Copperopolis, California

          • 2020 Super Air Nautique GS20

          #5
          Originally posted by core-rider View Post
          Why not just work a deal for new, correct interior? Seems like the easiest, least expensive solution to me... I don’t understand getting an entirely new boat just because of an interior color being wrong. Especially when obviously this is nothing that kept you from using your boat... 200 hours in 2 seasons according to you. I get your frustration... I had a similar issue but with only 1 seat base when I ordered my boat in 2003. It took 2 years and 2 seats made incorrect but I finally got what I ordered (which was custom by Nautique) but never did it keep me from enjoying my boat and using it, just an annoying OCD thing for me.

          You spent a good bit of money on your boat, and should get it the way you want... you admit your fault there so it’s not just on the dealer or Nautique... expecting completely new boat at whatever price you deem is unreasonable IMHO!

          If you want a new boat that’s on you... not the dealer or Nautique. I’m assuming there have been no other issues with your boat’s function or the dealer’s service when saying all this since you did mention it.


          Sent from my iPhone using PLT Nautique
          What does it cost to have the interior done?

          im guessing 6kish?

          if so I would certainly agree. the amount of money lost on selling a 2018 and buying a 2020 to get the right interior would far exceed the cost of new interior...

          OP, just eat the costs and have it done. I just spent 10k more on a boat to get the colors I wanted. is what it is, I know I would kick my self in the a** for not doing it. If anything im surprised you waited this long to have it done.....

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          • Nautiquehunter
            1,000 Post Club Member
            • Jun 2008
            • 2080

            • Flowery Branch GA Lake Lanier

            • 2008 210 SANTE 67 Correct Craft Mustang

            #6
            You should have never accepted the boat until it was the way you ordered it . After two years of blowing you off its pretty obvious they are not going to address this problem. You lost your standing the minute you signed the paperwork. You relied on their word to correct their mistake you were wrong they lied . Without anything in writing you have nothing to hold them to other than their reputation. Enjoy the boat like you have for the last two years . When trade in time comes get their best price IN WRITING and compare it to other dealers buy it from the dealer that treats you right

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            • scottb7
              1,000 Post Club Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 2198

              • Carson City, Nevada

              • 2014 G21 (Current) 2008 SANTE 210

              #7
              I can understand taking the boat cause you need it...but "For the next two years, I had no less than 15 conversations with them about this..."

              What i don't understand is "This is 2020...isn't it?" Why in 2020 would you not get something in an email saying what they were going to do about it.

              I would simply have put something in writing when i picked up the boat....

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              • bturner
                1,000 Post Club Member
                • Jun 2019
                • 1564

                • MI

                • 2016 200 Sport Nautique

                #8
                Looks like you're getting slammed well enough without me jumping in too so I'll try not to do the captain hide-sight routine.

                Like others have said the easy button on this one is to order a new interior from Nautique or have one made from a company like Viper customs if you really can't live with it. Which BTW it sounds like by the hours you've put on the boat and the time you've owned it, it isn't killing you. 100 hours a year is 3X what I get in a good year so congratulations on being able to get good use out of it. Even if you paid $10K for a factory interior it's probably going to be cheaper than swapping out the boat. IMO this should have been the conversation from day 1. You might want to try to have that conversion now to see if this would still be something they could help with.

                I will say that unless someone was all over me as a dealer about something like this I probably would have let it slide as being taken care of as well. I mean geez it's been 2 seasons and 200 hours. If I were that put off by the interior on day one I would have been looking the dealer to order the new boat an hour after I saw it and a demo to use on my vacation. That is when you had negotiating power not 2 seasons later.

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                • kylant
                  Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                  • May 2010
                  • 538

                  • Lake Tahoe

                  • 2014 210 2019 GS22, 2017 GS20, 2000 Air Nautique

                  #9
                  I think you never should have accepted the boat, or insisted on them ordering a new boat as soon as the mistake was discovered.
                  Mistakes happen, both you and the dealer are on the hook for this one.
                  When I ordered my boat, I went over the build sheet several times, as did the dealer. I made absolutely sure everything was correct before they hit the submit button.

                  You could have taken the boat on your trip, then waited until the new boat arrived.
                  You have been using the boat for 2 years, so it obviously is not that big of an issue.
                  White interior is not bad, at least it is not some other obnoxious color. It will also probably sell faster on used market.

                  I would take whatever the dealer is offering you at this point, or just keep what you have and carry on.
                  The dealer now has a 2 year old used boat with 200 hours on it to deal with.

                  Cut your losses and consider it a lesson.

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                  • Interjon
                    • Dec 2019
                    • 135

                    • Alabama

                    • 2003 196 2019 SN200

                    #10
                    I am sorry for your troubles. I agree that the build process is poor. There should be a straight forward way to export customization data, without the need for transcription, which opens the door to errors being made by the dealer and/or buyer.

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                    • Team230
                      • Oct 2015
                      • 251

                      • Cincinnati, OH

                      • 2008 Super Air 230 TE

                      #11
                      Originally posted by NautiqueJeff View Post

                      Then you might want to take it out of your post.
                      Dang. That was my bad. Fixed it now.

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                      • Team230
                        • Oct 2015
                        • 251

                        • Cincinnati, OH

                        • 2008 Super Air 230 TE

                        #12
                        New Interior cost was offered at $4k. Adding $4k cost to my boat did not make sense considering I was quoted a certain price for the boat when I originally bought it - which is what I was good with then. The interior is perfect, so, besides the color...I get no benefit. Also, I am a bit worried about having a dealer re-install an entirely new interior. The factory does this all the time...the dealer, while they are likely capable, it's possible this is opening another can of worms.

                        Certainly a lesson learned. Thanks for the feedback.

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                        • Luebowski
                          • Aug 2017
                          • 104

                          • CA

                          • 2004 SANTE 210

                          #13
                          Since it sounds like you the ability to upgrade and you get a lot of use out of your boat, how about get another couple of seasons out of it then upgrade to a new G? Shopping and researching is half the fun and may take your attention away from this situation.

                          I agree that tearing out a perfectly good interior would make me nervous...

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                          • nyryan2001
                            1,000 Post Club Member
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 1993

                            • Lake Anna


                            #14
                            This happened to me in Aug 2013... I had a custom 2014 G delivered..... gray came... White is what I ordered.

                            its $12-$15k to replace a G interior from the factory. Dealers can recover approx 1/2 of that having a set of vinyl cushions on the shelf when someone needs a random replacement... only requiring skin replacement. The higher the volume the more they can recover.

                            Buxton... specifically Phil and Andrew... 100% stood by their word and swapped me out a full new interior over the winter layup. I’ve said it 100 times, you can trust these folks with your money. They have ethics.

                            you need to call Ron Nace ASAP. Remain calm, lay out your situation.
                            2019 G23 450
                            2014 G23 550
                            2013 G23 450
                            2011 Malibu Wakesetter 247
                            2007 Yamaha AR210

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                            • charlesml3
                              1,000 Post Club Member
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 2453

                              • Lake Gaston, NC

                              • 2022 G23

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Interjon View Post
                              I am sorry for your troubles. I agree that the build process is poor. There should be a straight forward way to export customization data, without the need for transcription, which opens the door to errors being made by the dealer and/or buyer.
                              Well there is. I've custom ordered my last two SANTE 230s. I get a build sheet back from the dealer showing exactly what's being specified long before the boat actually goes into production. I have to review this and respond back to them with a go/no-go. And I reviewed, and reviewed, and reviewed it again. I had my girlfriend then come in and sit down with "fresh eyes" and review it again. Once I say it's a "go" then I've agreed to the build.

                              Now if the boat comes in and is different from the build sheet, it's on them. If it's the same as the build sheet but not what I wanted, it's on me.

                              -Charles

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