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  • shag
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Jul 2003
    • 2217

    • Florida


    #1

    Gateway box/customer service dissatisfaction 08 SAN 230

    So I have purchased/owned several Nautiques over the last 3 decades, starting with a new 89 ski - all the way up to the boat I own now, 2008 SAN 230 that I bought used from the dealer about 3 years ago. Last year the hour meter stopped at 999,9, and did not know that was a problem (I had heard about other issues with the gauges but not this). I assumed a new gauge would take care of it because I guess I really didn't know (and it was not disclosed) that there would be no way to keep accurate hours past 999.9, unless I went to the trouble of pulling the boat out and dragging it to the dealer to have it read.
    I started with asking the dealer about this and they said gauges prob weren't available. I found one through Nautique parts and ordered it (Byerly gauge since they didn't make mine). I was surprised to plug in the new gauge only to see the same hours. I thought it would at least start at 0.
    I then began contacting Customer service at Nautique and Ron Nace back in mid December and have received everything from "you have to buy all new gauges to fix this", to, "you can try to hook an hour meter up in another location", to "your dealer has new Gateway boxes they can get". (they do not). The responses from Mr. Nace have been very slow, and several were auto replies that were worded oddly with a April 8th date. Strange. I have spoken with Faria themselves and apparently there are two different stories. Faria says that Nautiques spec'd the gateway box as built and that there was attempt to correct it but Nautique did not want to. Faria said they could probably update the affected boxes but the implication was that they somehow weren't allowed to. The word from Nautique seems to be that Faria made the error and that they can't make anymore boxes. It seems like a bad divorce to me and the truth is probably in the middle somewhere, but fact seems that Faria could fix these if they were able. In fact, they obviously made a certain amount of these boxes that DO WORK correctly. Another PN member messaged me a few months ago that a few years ago, he had the exact same problem with the exact year SAN, and that after voicing his displeasure directly to Nautique and Ron Nace, he was sent an updated plug and play box at no cost. (the updated part number was GW0021C. The original ones were GW0021A. I relayed this info in a polite but pointed email to Mr. Nace and that I simply feel that since they already provided someone a box a no cost, then that should be the remedy. The only response I am getting is one of "I don't know who you talked to a what company (I clearly stated I spoke to Faria), but they can't make the boxes anymore"...... This bothers me about this company. I, as well as many others that have been long time customers are who paid our hard earned money to buy boats over the last few decades, and (in my eyes at least) are the ones who helped Correct craft get to where they are today. It seems an easy fix that Nautiques could contract Faria to at least 'update' these boxes for a small cost, and actually take care of the customer. Main points are that customer service at Nautique says one thing (the dealer says they haven]t been able to get the boxes for a long time), Faria says something different, and even to do the fix they say, it would be around $1000 and the gauges would not even match. I think the main thing is that they clearly provided another customer in the exact same situation, with a new plug and play box that resolved the issue at no cost and I feel that would be the resolve for my issue as well as any in the same boat (pun intended).
    Sorry for the long post, but what do other members think? Are there others with the same issue? Am I way off track here and I should just resolve to the fact that since I can't afford a 100k plus boat now that I am not important enough?
    Cheers and be safe, this virus will eventually be done with and hopefully we can get back to some normalcy in a month or two.
    Last edited by shag; 03-23-2020, 11:19 PM.
  • Neptune442
    • Jan 2019
    • 255

    • Henderson, MN

    • Current: 2005 SV211 Previous: 2000 Sport Nautique

    #2
    It's probably a slippery slope for Nautique, because their boats are just packed with technology now. If they start giving away parts every time a piece of tech becomes obsolete or has issues...I'm sure that could get pretty spendy.

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    • Nautiquehunter
      1,000 Post Club Member
      • Jun 2008
      • 2080

      • Flowery Branch GA Lake Lanier

      • 2008 210 SANTE 67 Correct Craft Mustang

      #3
      My 08 210 stopped at 999.9 over a year ago . According to Nautique there is no fix. I installed a 20.00 hour meter in the engine compartment to track oil changes. This is the first unfixable issue I have had . Its not a big problem yet I hope it doesn't happen on essential systems. The thing that scares me the most with even considering a newer boat is if they will not support a simple gauge issue what do you think will happen when your high teck 250k cloned spaceship goes awry outside of warranty. The newer boats don't even have gauges. The boat is totally dependent on yesterdays technology and when the company says sorry we don't support that anymore then what?. Remember the pebble watch ??? I have 6 boats 67,85,89,92,97 and 08 do you see a pattern here?

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      • obd666
        Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
        • Feb 2010
        • 793

        • Bostian Heights, NC

        • 03 SANTE

        #4
        i completely agree. the price aside I would be inconsolable when (not if) all those screens start hosing up, leaving the boat non functional ... is it known which years are affected by this stops at 999 gauge issue? it would be a pain if for no other reason than oil changes ... and yeah, poor response from Nautique
        Last edited by obd666; 03-24-2020, 11:25 AM.
        2003 SANTE - "OG 210"

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        • SilentSeven
          1,000 Post Club Member
          • Feb 2014
          • 1867

          • Bellevue WA

          • 2004 Nautique 206

          #5
          The problem seems to be low volume, complex, brand specific control packages that will be incredibly expensive to build and stock past their manufacturing run. As long as people want these features, it's going to continue to be problem...the industry has no incentive to move a cross platform solution with volumes that justify post manufacturing level support. Maybe the mfgs should open up these systems and encourage a cottage repair industry.

          Hard to see this getting better in the short term. :/
          2004 206 Air Nautique Limited - Black with Vapor Blue (family style)
          1997 Masters Edition Nautique - Zephyr Green - gone (amazing ski wake)
          1982 Mastercraft Powerslot - gone (a primitive but wonderful beast)
          Bellevue WA

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          • shag
            1,000 Post Club Member
            • Jul 2003
            • 2217

            • Florida


            #6
            Originally posted by Nautiquehunter View Post
            My 08 210 stopped at 999.9 over a year ago . According to Nautique there is no fix. I installed a 20.00 hour meter in the engine compartment to track oil changes. This is the first unfixable issue I have had . Its not a big problem yet I hope it doesn't happen on essential systems. The thing that scares me the most with even considering a newer boat is if they will not support a simple gauge issue what do you think will happen when your high teck 250k cloned spaceship goes awry outside of warranty. The newer boats don't even have gauges. The boat is totally dependent on yesterdays technology and when the company says sorry we don't support that anymore then what?. Remember the pebble watch ??? I have 6 boats 67,85,89,92,97 and 08 do you see a pattern here?
            Yep

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            • shag
              1,000 Post Club Member
              • Jul 2003
              • 2217

              • Florida


              #7
              One of the responses from Nautique was "we don't test the boats for 1000 hours so we wouldn't know of this flaw." Other than this being an edgy answer - If that is the case, it should have caught in the design... The display obviously can display enough digits so it's a design/engineering oversight. Supposedly for the hour issue - it is only 2008 boats. Wonder when they switched boxes to the newer part number.. If Faria is telling me there's a way to address it, then Nautique should step up for their customers. I know I am responsible for 'hooking' some folks (who have purchased) along the way, on the Nautique brand. Just disappointed.

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              • scottb7
                1,000 Post Club Member
                • Aug 2011
                • 2198

                • Carson City, Nevada

                • 2014 G21 (Current) 2008 SANTE 210

                #8
                Yep, i am the one that screamed loud enough at nautique to get the free plug and play gateway box. Enough time has passed that i not worried about it getting out. It came not from a dealer but direct from nautique. It is the gateway box not the gauge that is the problem. I had a great relationship with someone had faria and they told me that nautique spec'd it that way. (To stop at 999.9)

                I love the "we don't test it past 1000 hours" comment...you know i would be ok with that if maybe they were cheap boats from a new mfg. But with the heritage and legacy of nautique it is just bull, and not acceptable. They should be thinking way further then 1,000 hours. And to me it shows poor management of their engineering staff and those that manage the relationships with vendors. It shows that the company is not concerned about getting the basics right. (Don't agree? Fast forward to 2013 and shafts break and propellers start dropping to the bottom of lakes for - get this (at least 6 model years 2013-2018).

                I got lucky and screamed at a time when they had them in stock i guess.

                But yeah, it's bad. Nautique should step up and pay the money to get people the corrected gateway box. Pretty simple.

                Old gateway box was GW0021A

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                • shag
                  1,000 Post Club Member
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 2217

                  • Florida


                  #9
                  This really bugs me as their own dealer here in Orlando is saying the opposite and that they haven't been able to get new boxes for quite awhile. I mean you can't even buy one let alone ask Nautique to fix THEIR problem. Never was disclosed that the boat had this issue. The Orlando Dealer understands my frustration and unfortunately is unable to do anything to help except recommend Nautique customer service.

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                  • Neptune442
                    • Jan 2019
                    • 255

                    • Henderson, MN

                    • Current: 2005 SV211 Previous: 2000 Sport Nautique

                    #10
                    I understand your frustration, but like Nautiquehunter did - installing a $20 hour meter solves everything. Beyond that, it just comes off as demanding free stuff for a 12 year old boat. I'm sure Nautique does care about customer service, but where does it end?

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                    • Nautiquehunter
                      1,000 Post Club Member
                      • Jun 2008
                      • 2080

                      • Flowery Branch GA Lake Lanier

                      • 2008 210 SANTE 67 Correct Craft Mustang

                      #11
                      I am not asking for Nautique to fix a 12 year old boat with over 1000 hours for free. They do need to stand up to the fact that somebody either at Nautique or their vendor Faria screwed the pooch on this one. Its pretty clear this is a known problem with a known fix. Its also pretty obvious Nautique has changed from a family owned boat builder focused on quality to a corporation focused on profits.They care about selling 250k surf ships not pleasing past customers . Its just good business right? You wont find many true Correct Craft loyalists with the new products they build. Price is what you pay value is what you receive. I have a hard time seeing the value in what they build today.

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                      • shag
                        1,000 Post Club Member
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 2217

                        • Florida


                        #12
                        I even suggested paying part of the cost of a new box and that's not even an option... The problem is that the factory is saying something that isn't even possible. And I am not so sure it is Faria's fault.
                        I agree that they are apparently over with taking care of past customers..Sadly.

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                        • ally505
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 180

                          • Somewhere cold and wet

                          • 2008 super air nautique 210, zr6.

                          #13
                          I’m with Neptune on this.

                          I also have an 08 so will be affected by the same problem sooner or later. Ultimately, everything has a design life, and annoying though it is, there is no value for Nautique, or any similiar company paying much attention to something that was designed probably 15years ago that has now shown a very minor design glitch which has no negative impact on the functionality of your boat. Products change and move on, electronics moves faster than most, so updating redundant products is a non starter.

                          I’ll add a new hour meter when the time comes as its a quick and simple fix and allows me to keep an eye on hours for servicing.

                          One question, does The ECM read over 1000 hours or stop there too? If you really don’t want to add an hour meter, purchasing a diacom cable would be a good alternative.

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                          • NautiqueJeff
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                            • Mar 2002
                            • 16548
                            • Lake Norman

                            • Mooresville, NC

                            • 2025 SAN G23 PNE 1985 Sea Nautique 1980 Twin-Engine Fish Nautique

                            #14
                            ECM will read the real hours.
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                            • shag
                              1,000 Post Club Member
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 2217

                              • Florida


                              #15
                              I understand what Neptune and Nautique Hunter are saying, I more disappointed in the way they are handling and the clear misunderstanding that they have with their own dealer. Even when I asked about buying a new one, Nautique says the dealer has them in stock and dealer said they haven't had them in years... It should have been at least disclosed at sale, if indeed this has been known for so long... Where do you hook the hour meter to? Or how do I get the software/cable to connect to the Port? Anyone know?

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