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  • greggmck
    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
    • Oct 2014
    • 795

    • Bellevue WA

    • 2023 Paragon G23

    2021 G23 vs. 2021 Paragon

    I have a fantastic relationship with my dealer. About a month ago he visited me and said: "Gregg, do you trust me?" And of course, I enthusiastically said yes. Because after purchasing 5 G23s from him we have reached a very solid understanding of each other. He said he cannot disclose why, but that he knew I was going to want this new 2021 G23. So, give me your colors and configuration. I will have a boat for you in mid-July and you can choose to purchase it if it meets your needs. I said OK and we put together our configuration.

    Of course after seeing the release of the new 2021 G23 I realized he did me a great favor. But he went even further. Yesterday he picked up my 2020 G23 for resale and loaned me a 2021 Paragon until our 2021 G23 arrives! He said let me know what you think about surfing the Paragon compared to the 2021 G23 when it arrives. What could be more fun! So, over the next few weeks we will put the Paragon and G23 through their paces and write up a review of the two boats. After surfing with the Paragon last night for a few hours here are my initial impressions:

    The Paragon is beyond my expectation. It is simply incredible!

    In the 1990s I lived in Florida and spent over a decade, totaling over 3500 hours of training as a competitive tournament water skier, AWSA boat driver, and judge. After so many years I developed the ability to drive a Ski Nautique with great precision. I still remember my first impression many years later when we purchased our first G23, I thought "wow this boat will take some adjustment to drive with the accuracy I expect of myself". The freeboard of the G23 was so much taller and the mass of the boat demanded a new set of skills to be proficient, especially in a strong wind. Yesterday I had that same feeling when I first drove the Paragon. The boat feels massive and it is. While of course it is not longer than the G23 it is much heavier with a taller freeboard. The boat demands the driver stay ahead of that mass. It took me some time to adapt my technique to pick up my surfer within a few feet like I easily do on our G23s. And docking requires a bit more planning. This is largely because the prop pitch on the Paragon is 13.5" while the G23 uses the 17" pitch. The lower pitch of the prop results in MUCH less prop walk force. So, when docking the Paragon stern does not pull to the starboard as much as the G23. One had to dock with a shallower angle of approach than the G23. The mass of the boat means it also turns with a noticeably longer radius so one has to stay ahead of the boat when maneuvering. In my opinion, this is clearly a boat I would not purchase without a thruster.

    But that wave! Oh my, that wave is by far, I mean by far, the most powerful wave I have ever surfed. It is difficult to describe how transformational that wave will be to the sport of wake surfing. After a small adjustment to its shape because it is different than the G23 wave I felt right at home on the Paragon wave. The best way I could describe it, would be a combination of a heavily weighted G23 and a heavily weighted Centurion Ri257. It has greater mass and is shaped somewhat like the Ri257, with the rear curl of the G23 but with MUCH, MUCH more push. We were hitting tricks we NEVER hit on the G23 and when one fell back into the wave it was like a bulldozer pushed you back into the game! It is a profoundly better wave!

    We love the fit and finish, the new dash layout, the steering feels like power steering in a car and stays in the same direction, no matter the configuration of the boat. You can take your hands off the wheel when surfing and the boat stays dead straight. The other thing that impressed me was the performance of the ZZ8 engine. While the boat maneuvers slower than the G23 that ZZ8 engine is a BEAST. It accelerates the Paragon much quicker than the ZZ6 does in the G23. It is incredibly fun to accelerate!

    We surf about 300 hours each year in our G23s and spend about $8,000 per year for fuel. So, I am genuinely concerned about fuel burn. While this is a small sample, we surfed for 1.8 hours last night, and ran back to dock for about 10 minutes. After that use, the boat took 12.8 gallons of fuel for fuel consumption of about 7.0 gallons / hour! And the engine is still breaking in so this could improve over time. I closely monitor the fuel burn of our G23s, keep a spreadsheet of fuel burn for each season and we regularly burn about 5.8 - 6.0 gallons / hour with the ZZ6 while exclusively surfing. From this small sample it appears the ZZ8 is impressively efficient. I will continue to monitor fuel performance and summarize it when we have more time on the boat.

    In summary, it is difficult to describe just how impressed I am with this Paragon! The term Game Changer gets bandied around too much for me, but in this case, I feel completely justified in saying the Paragon is a genuine “Game Changer”!

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  • RDT-G23
    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
    • Jun 2017
    • 589

    • TEXAS

    • 2020 G23 PARAGON I 2017 G23(sold)

    #2
    I'm glad you are getting to demo the P boat; your opinion means a lot-given how much you/your family surfs. It is a pretty cool tub, but I'll admit that I'm biased...
    Last edited by RDT-G23; 07-09-2020, 11:37 AM.

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    • BasaltRMK
      • Apr 2020
      • 281

      • Basalt, CO

      • 2024 SAN G23 2020 SAN G21 (Sold) 2018 SAN G21 (Sold) 2015 Tigé R20 (sold) 1972 MFG Gypsy-15 Tri-hull (sold)

      #3
      Gregg,

      Great write-up, thank you. And what a dealer - any chance you can talk them into opening a western CO branch??


      2020 SAN G21
      2018 SAN G21 (traded in)
      2015 Tigé R20 (sold)
      1972 MFG Gypsy-15 (sold)

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      • NautiqueJeff
        A d m i n i s t r a t o r
        • Mar 2002
        • 16435
        • Lake Norman

        • Mooresville, NC

        • 2025 SAN G23 PNE 1998 Ski Nautique 1985 Sea Nautique 1980 Twin-Engine Fish Nautique

        #4
        That's one friendly dealer! Certainly can't complain about mine either!

        I have the same boat lift as you. Glad to see it can easily lift the Paragon.
        I own and operate Silver Cove Marine, which is an inboard boat restoration, service, and sales facility located in Mooresville, North Carolina. We specializes in Nautiques and Correct Crafts, and also provide general service for Nautiques fifteen years old and older.

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        • WakeUT
          • Aug 2019
          • 64

          • Utah

          • '01 SAN 210

          #5
          Beautiful boat there. I’d really like to get the chance to surf one someday. I think my 210 puts out a decent surf wave when I get it all set up properly and just imagine the Paragon being mind blowing by comparison.

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          • Neptune442
            • Jan 2019
            • 255

            • Henderson, MN

            • Current: 2005 SV211 Previous: 2000 Sport Nautique

            #6
            Sounds like it might be tough to go back to the G23 when it arrives. Pretty smart move on the dealer's part...
            Last edited by Neptune442; 07-09-2020, 02:03 PM.

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            • RDT-G23
              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
              • Jun 2017
              • 589

              • TEXAS

              • 2020 G23 PARAGON I 2017 G23(sold)

              #7
              Originally posted by Neptune442 View Post
              Sounds like it might be tough to go back to the G23 when it arrives. Pretty smart move on the dealer's part...
              This ball is now in the air-and I'm going to smash it across the net... No need to fold and cover a smaller bimini, just squat the tower and cover, wake sub!, reclining stern seats, fore and aft shades, dual monitors...those seats!..and did he order your G23 with the ZZ8? C'mon, you only live once...

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              • Kenv
                1,000 Post Club Member
                • Jan 2004
                • 1070

                • Texas

                • 2021 G23 Previous 2015 G21 2010 226 2005 226 2000 Super Air

                #8
                I've known my salesman for 20 years....bought several boats from him...golf with him, etc. He wouldn't tell me jack ship about the new G23. Just said possible hull change....LOL. I think he really wanted me to order a Paragon from him....but I'm glad I didn't flinch.....LOL G23 it is. Question for Greg.....I see you mentioned the thruster on the Paragon...but do you feel the G23 would need it? I consider myself a pretty good driver...and had already decided against it...to put the 10K in the gas tank or toward the ZZ8. Can I live without the thruster??

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                • greggmck
                  Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                  • Oct 2014
                  • 795

                  • Bellevue WA

                  • 2023 Paragon G23

                  #9
                  Originally posted by RDT-G23 View Post

                  This ball is now in the air-and I'm going to smash it across the net... No need to fold and cover a smaller bimini, just squat the tower and cover, wake sub!, reclining stern seats, fore and aft shades, dual monitors...those seats!..and did he order your G23 with the ZZ8? C'mon, you only live once...
                  I must admit I really am loving this boat. I was not a fan of the tower when I first saw the boat last year. But after being in the boat, the tower is bad *** and it might be tough to go back to the bimini! The G23 has the ZZ6 which was enough for the G. This thing is much heavier and the ZZ8 accelerates the Paragon like a formula one car!

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                  • greggmck
                    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                    • Oct 2014
                    • 795

                    • Bellevue WA

                    • 2023 Paragon G23

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Kenv View Post
                    I've known my salesman for 20 years....bought several boats from him...golf with him, etc. He wouldn't tell me jack ship about the new G23. Just said possible hull change....LOL. I think he really wanted me to order a Paragon from him....but I'm glad I didn't flinch.....LOL G23 it is. Question for Greg.....I see you mentioned the thruster on the Paragon...but do you feel the G23 would need it? I consider myself a pretty good driver...and had already decided against it...to put the 10K in the gas tank or toward the ZZ8. Can I live without the thruster??
                    You can probably live without the thruster since the G is something like 1200lbs lighter. But with the taller freeboard I would want it in the boat. Probably makes resale much better too. Not many people around with the skill to drive a boat this size with precision without one.

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                    • Gtsum2
                      • Jul 2019
                      • 224

                      • Virginia

                      • 2020 G23

                      #11
                      Originally posted by greggmck View Post
                      You can probably live without the thruster since the G is something like 1200lbs lighter. But with the taller freeboard I would want it in the boat. Probably makes resale much better too. Not many people around with the skill to drive a boat this size with precision without one.

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                      Looking forward to the next couple of weeks!


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                      • RDT-G23
                        Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                        • Jun 2017
                        • 589

                        • TEXAS

                        • 2020 G23 PARAGON I 2017 G23(sold)

                        #12
                        greggmck-

                        I've seen vids of at least one of your children behind your G23; dont tell me they aren't loving the Wakesubs/sound system! My kids (grown, mid-20's) love it!

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                        • greggmck
                          Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 795

                          • Bellevue WA

                          • 2023 Paragon G23

                          #13
                          Originally posted by RDT-G23 View Post
                          greggmck-

                          I've seen vids of at least one of your children behind your G23; dont tell me they aren't loving the Wakesubs/sound system! My kids (grown, mid-20's) love it!
                          Funny, I was thinking about that today. I was one that would NEVER consider paying for the wake sub, because I always thought the four 8.8 JLs sounded fantastic. How much better could it be?? Well I was dumbfounded in how awesome the soundstage was behind the boat! It sounded like I was in the boat. Heck with the kids I was REALLY rocking out on that fantastic wave! It is very, very cool.

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                          • Kmayotte
                            Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 816

                            • Lake Winnipesaukee, NH

                            • 2016 G23, 1999 SN Python Past: 2004 SANTE, 1993 SN

                            #14
                            Originally posted by greggmck View Post
                            Funny, I was thinking about that today. I was one that would NEVER consider paying for the wake sub, because I always thought the four 8.8 JLs sounded fantastic. How much better could it be?? Well I was dumbfounded in how awesome the soundstage was behind the boat! It sounded like I was in the boat. Heck with the kids I was REALLY rocking out on that fantastic wave! It is very, very cool.

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                            I'm thinking the dealers plan of getting you to buy the Paragon over the G23 is working....

                            Haha jk (maybe). Great post, looking forward to more info.

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                            • greggmck
                              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 795

                              • Bellevue WA

                              • 2023 Paragon G23

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Kmayotte View Post

                              I'm thinking the dealers plan of getting you to buy the Paragon over the G23 is working....

                              Haha jk (maybe). Great post, looking forward to more info.
                              You could be right! I'm a born engineer and I want to evaluate specifics before making significant decisions. But this Paragon has me feeling like a moth looking at a flame!
                              Last edited by greggmck; 07-10-2020, 10:31 AM.

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