2021 G or P23 vs prior gen hull G23 - wakeboard wake size and shape review

[MG94]

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Almost everyone has been running at 22.6 on ours from 65-80ft with full ballast.


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[wakeupwindermere]

On my 2016 G we ran 100 percent ballast 70ft line 22.7mph approx 3 - 5 adults in the boat. We slowly kept putting more ballast in. When we first got it we were always riding 50 percent and were happy. The last two - three seasons we kept creeping a little more weight in 70 percent then eventually 100 percrnt. We all preferred it at the 100 percent in the end wake goes firmer and makes all tricks feel a little less effort. This season I started playing around on a 65 line length and slowed the speed to 22.5 slowed my cut and was enjoying that length. So our new G I put approx 600llbs of weight in after reading that it will help the wakesurf wave get to a higher level even though I am not really into the wakesurf as much some freinds are and my son enjoys it 16 year old. I know it says on this fórum to put in around 800- 900 but I am
reluctant to carry all that weight when not riding about and it takes a fair bit of space up. Plus when wakesurfing
we typically have crews of 4-5 and upwards ( its perhaps a shame they could not have got that weight in the ballast tanks somehow. Maybe they will try to review that in the future? ) So because that 600 lbs is in the boat we decided to start out at 50 percent on the wakeboard wake. I ran the 65 line and 22.5 straight away I needed to go 70 the pop of this new wake seemed to send me over a little further. The 70 felt great and I will 100 percent stay on that. I somehow feel riders will feel they want to go a couple of feet longer on this wake compared to the last hull. Or just slightly slow the cut / take a little speed off. It seems to launch you a little further in my opinion at the same speeds. I suppose we might creep up the ballast a little but we will never take it above the 100 percent ballast weight for wakeboarding. I just think it
gets too big for our riding level. I rode Gs with full ballast and slammed out with up to 2000 lbs of lead and I hate that size of wake it just gets too big for me and feels to harsh on my body if I land in the flats ( might be different if I was younger ) So for now I stick to 50 percent ballast plus the 600llb lead. 70 foot line 22.7mph. Now the best bit. I am going to start mixing in surfing so surely that tells everyone this wave is something very special!! Coming from someone who never enjoyed the surfing too much this wave changes that view because it becomes more enjoyable when the frustration of loosing the wave as easily goes away. This wave is big to play on keeps pushing and blows you away compared to the previous hulls, although I never played with lead weight on my previous hull so I might have enjoyed the wakesurf wave more if I had. All the G’s have been awesome I still love my first one I had as much today and would be happy in any of the models. Am I happy I upgraded again yes. They keep getting even better in every area!

[MG94]

Curious does 50% ballast put you close to the old stock g23 wave size? I’m usually not out long enough to experiment too much. I might try filling it less to learn some new tricks since I went out on a centurion this week and was immediately less intimidated.


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[bdisney3]

I've had demos on two Paragons (wakeboarding) and here are my thoughts. First, the wake at 100% is BIG. It's a bit intimidating - but probably like anything else, just takes some getting used to. The second demo I rode a set at 50% and it was much like my 2018 G23 only a little more pop off the top and a little narrower (kind of like a G21 wake). I was riding 22.8 w/ 72.5' rope length. I normally ride 22.8-23 and 70' on my 2018. Both demos there were a couple of other wakeboarders, and everyone agreed the new hull was better. I've got a 2021 G23 on order and imagine it will be perfect at 100% ballast and like with my "old" G, I'll add a bit of weight as I get used to it. No one surfed during either demo, so can't tell you much about that, but honestly, I don't care much (no offense to the wakesurfers out there).

[MG94]

We played around with mine a little more. Last couple rides we have been using 20% front, 60% rest at 21mph. I’m still learning so it’s a lot less intimidating but is still a nice sized wake with lots of pop. It got a little steeper on top which I liked with smooth transition. I really think the wake is too large with everything at 100% unless you are riding at 70’ or longer. I’m at 60-65 depending on what I’m working on.


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[MG94]

This is at 60/20%. Don’t mind the landing. Still working on that.

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[ironj32]

IMO, the wakeboard wakes are basically the same in size and shape (I have a 2018 and run the NCRS at 5).

I run my G with stock + 3000 pounds, and the stock Paragon setup was definitely not the size nor firmness of what I run. I'm sure the Paragon with an extra 2000 pounds (or a regular 2021 G with an extra 3400 pounds) will be equal, but I wanted to see if the rumors of a stock Paragon was equal to the previous hull with 3k extra in were true, which I did not find to be so. I do feel the 2021 can be more customizable, but that doesn't sway me to upgrade as I only run it in one manner.

[c640947]

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So I caved and bought a Paragon. I do think the wake shape is different but not drastically. I would call the stock Paragon a "prior generation G with like 250 lbs in each back gunnel", so previous +500, maybe a little more. Could be convinced 400 in each for 800 total. Which also makes sense when you calc the weight difference numbers. Remember Paragon has less stock weight but is a heavier boat. I also ran my 2014 G with +500 (normal day) up to +3000 depending on number of people and general sassiness of rider. Luckily my old G is right up the lake with my riding buddy and I plan to do a comparison so I may revise my observation (for the few wakeboarders out there that care.)

Another interesting early observation.... prop wash getting up is insane - propeller huge and engine super powerful. Gets you up fast. And the power steering added to that engine means you can almost out turn my prostar. haha

And as above, we're talking wakeboarding here. I honestly haven't even surfed mine yet.... I was told it does that too.

[c640947]

Finally getting some warm weather so took the Paragon out with the crew last night. Mine came with a factor pro speed of 23.7 or 8 i think (is that right?) and i was surprised it was faster than my previous G. Most newer boats have been slowing things down a bit. We've been riding slower speed and 70ft line and at 23.8 the wake (stock ballast) wasn't formed perfect so we slowed it down to 22.8 and it was money for that rope length. As I have said feels very similar to the 2014 G with a couple hundred extra pounds in the rear. We were blessed with glass water and had a fantastic time - the wake was great stock so excited to see it with more weight too. Engine will have no problem with it. Its almost overpowered for stock - prop wash is rough and its very quick to plane - almost too quick to play off the bow wave.

One huge complaint is the board racks: they can only hold 2 wakeboards one on each side?!?!?! We regularly have 3-4 wakeboards so this discovery was very unpleasant. Surfing sells boats I guess. We figured out how to put one on the bimini or puts them in the rear lockers but still .....

[MG94]

I agree. Everyone riding our boat has slowed down to 22.5-22.8. Also I’m going to make some board rack extenders so you can put 4 boards in correctly. Until then we just put two boards together in the outer slot which we have been doing since last year.

Message me if you have interest in the extender. I’m going to make a few sets this summer.


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[c640947]

OK so while I havent taken them both out at the same time, this week I rode the G Monday and the P Wednesday, same conditions and people, etc. And I've ridden the P enough to get used to its shape.

I underestimated how different the shape of the P hull is. People liked the old G21 bc the wake had more pop with same weight vs the old G23 was more rampy and required more weight to stand up the lip of the wake. The P with less weight and effort pops a lot more for sure. I do think there are a few downsides, the main one being I think the P isn't as perfectly weighted due likely to the rear lounge seats and therefore gets some "bow bounce" of which I have compensated for with some lead in the bow.

Anyway, prospective P or new gen hull G buyers may want to know this review. The new hull shape is great for wakeboarding for sure.

[bird_dog0347]

I still need to take a wakeboard set behind my P23, we've done nothing but surfing so far. Then again, I'm getting older and wakeboarding hurts more.

[Cpan13]

Got my 2021 G23 on the water for the first time. I ran full ballast plus 1200lbs. I had to shift 150lbs for prop torque. 75ft line, 22mph. Compared to my 2015 G23 the wake was wider and a little more vertical lip, almost more like my old G21. But the biggest difference I found was how firm it is! My first jump actually scared me, I’m used to charging and having a bit of give at the wake, there’s no give which is awesome. I was able to slow down a bit (cut speed, not boat speed) and still had massive pop.