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  • Mahnal
    • Apr 2019
    • 92

    • Bowling Green, KY

    • 2014 SAN G25 - 550

    #1

    Disaster of a trip to Lake Power and Lessons Learned

    We towed our 2014 G25, 24 hours each way from Kentucky to Lake Powell. Here is what happened, and some lessons learned.

    On the way out, we had a flat on the trailer. I actually planned for this, and checked our spare, but should have been a little more prepared. We got lucky, and the flat happened about 200 yards from the largest tire store I have ever seen in my life, right in the middle of the day when they were open. 2 hours, back on the road, with 2 new tires, they only had 2 or we would have replaced them all. We figured 2 spares better than 1, since all the tires were older and we might have problems with another tire. My experience is these things happen in sets, often.
    Lesson 1: My F250 tire iron is the right size for the lug nuts and will remove the spare, but the lug wrench is too thick to fit around the tires on the trailer due to the clearance with the hub cover. A $15 4 way from Walmart worked fine. Check your lug wrench in your truck to make sure it will work on the spare AND the wheels.

    Lesson 2: Your trailer needs to be level connected to the truck, this sounds like a real no-brainer. However, unless you looked closely, you would have thought my trainer was level. But we were slightly nose down, and that put more weight on the front tires on the twin axle trailer. Although the tires are 5 year old tires, they look great, one of the front tires over-heated and popped. I raised the adjustable hitch up 1 notch, and we were level and balancing the weight between the front and back axle.

    Lesson 3: If you are taking a long trip with your boat, check to see how hot your tires are when you gas up. We noticed that that tire was hotter than the others at the prior gas stop, but it was a fleeting thought and we should have discussed it. Odds are the damage was done at that point, but we would have noticed lesson 2 if we had thought about it. (you can also check hub heat for other issues, if one hub is hotter than the others)

    Once we got to Lake Powell, we were meeting people on a house boat down the lake a bit, and needed to haul several people and a lot of gear 30 miles down the lake. In the process, we hit ground and severely damaged the bottom of the boat - tracking fin, prop, rudder, and some spider cracks in the fiber glass, plus more, and I really don't want to run into the details. No one was hurt, so we were lucky. We got lucky again, and drifted to a place we could put the boat where it would not sink, as we were taking on some water around the prop shaft, the bilge could keep up, but still needed to secure the boat, as it would be morning before we could get a tow.
    Lesson 4: Know your lake - Although I was using the charts on the boat to review depth and I was generally keeping in the channel, I didn't know that Lake Powell was 30 ft below full pool. That would have been good information to know. Where we hit the depth went from 100+ ft, to 30 ft depth (according to the charts), just a few feet outside of a 200-300 ft depth channel. In reality, 30 ft depth turned out to be 12-18 inches of water, and with a little bit of afternoon shadow, we didn't see it until it was too late. We were the 10th person in 5 days to hit this same rock.

    Lesson 5: the 2014 Link system's charts are too slow and too small of a screen to use effectively in more difficult situations like Lake Powell. Fine for situations where depth doesn't change as rapidly.

    Lesson 6: Always carry a radio, we were just outside of cell signal when this happened. I now own a hand held marine radio, been planning to get one for a long time.

    Lesson 7: Although the boat batteries were not dead, the bilge pump stopped running through the night. The boat would have sank if it had not been secured. This is troubling, and my dealer is looking into why this was the case. I have not figured out why this was the case, so I am not totally sure of the lesson here, I will add more details if I learn, but you should always know if your bilge works.

    Lesson 8: Lots of dealers are booked up and busy, it too some research to find someone who could fix the boat right away. We are still at risk of not having the boat this summer, but we dropped the boat off in Dallas, at Buxton's because they had the capacity to get to it. It was also only 2 hours of the way coming back from Powell. It makes the repair a little more expensive, but shipping the boat can be more reasonable than you might expect, so check your options at distance.

    Lesson 9: We made the trip too complex by meeting a group half way down a really long lake. If possible, keep vacation simple.

    I hope this is helpful to someone else. If I think of any more lessons, I will add them to the thread.

    By the way, the vacation wasn't totally a bust, Lake Powell is beautiful. Feels almost like being on an alien planet if you are not used to that scenery.

    Regards,
    DL

  • Stevemo14
    Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
    • Apr 2019
    • 691

    • Columbus, OH

    • 2005 Super Air 210 Team; 1960 Chris Craft 18' Continental

    #2
    Sounds like a perfect storm of 2020 got you!!

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    • SilentSeven
      1,000 Post Club Member
      • Feb 2014
      • 1868

      • Bellevue WA

      • 2004 Nautique 206

      #3
      Ouch. There is nothing like a few personal anecdotes to make stuff real. For what it's worth, we manage our trailer distance towing (anything over 25 miles or so) via the following.

      Pre-trip
      - inflate all tires to correct PSI, including spare.
      - check bearing play on all 4 hubs
      - pump up bearings with marine grease
      - check brake fluid amount, condition
      - check inner wheel bearing seals for leaks (added during edit)

      During the trip at every rest stop / gas stop / you name it
      - check all hub temps. The simple way to do this is just put your finger on each hub within a minute or so after you stop. They can be warm but not hot. Anything that's hot is a warning sign of some bearing or brake dragging problem.
      - check tire temps for anything that's hot, visually inspect for inflation, check PSI for anything that's out of sorts.

      This simple routine has pretty much eliminated roadside problems.
      Last edited by SilentSeven; 08-31-2020, 04:51 PM. Reason: Added 1 item.
      2004 206 Air Nautique Limited - Black with Vapor Blue (family style)
      1997 Masters Edition Nautique - Zephyr Green - gone (amazing ski wake)
      1982 Mastercraft Powerslot - gone (a primitive but wonderful beast)
      Bellevue WA

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      • gonefishin5555
        • May 2018
        • 114

        • SoCal

        • 2017 GS22

        #4
        I’ve had lots of problems on my trailer. Flats, brakes not working, reverse mechanism locking, It needs a rebuild at 3 years. I only tow to the gas station and back so it’s about10 miles a trip. Meeting someone 30 miles down lake is pretty sketchy to me. With a major accident like that I would just end my boating season it’s too much effort to get all that fixed. I assume it’s an insurance claim.

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        • Mahnal
          • Apr 2019
          • 92

          • Bowling Green, KY

          • 2014 SAN G25 - 550

          #5
          Originally posted by gonefishin5555 View Post
          With a major accident like that I would just end my boating season it’s too much effort to get all that fixed. I assume it’s an insurance claim.
          Yes, insurance claim. Still this year might be finished. I will be lucky to get the boat back before end of September and then have a warm weekend.


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          • srock
            1,000 Post Club Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 1068

            • Florida

            • 2009 Super Air 230 2005 Whaler Dauntless

            #6
            I do a lot of trailering and have become pretty good at preventive measures. This seems like a lot but most is just a matter of eyeballing for issues.

            1. If you think you can use the jack from your vehicle, think again. There are usually too tall to fit under the axle and too short to reach the frame.
            2. I replaced my fancy full cap style lug nuts with something open. My problem was they rusted and had to much thread bite so I broke a couple lugs. Twisted and snapped. A little penetrating every now and then will keep them from rusting on.
            3. This works awesome...Pay attention to your trailer guides at the beginning of your trip and note the vibration level. If you see any change, a rhythmic vibration, or a wiggle in your seat, slow down and be ready to pull over you are about to have a tire fail. After a lot of experience, I have pulled over and noticed tread separation or the tire gets a little football like. I have had 2 blow outs as I was moving to the shoulder. Paying attention really works.
            4. If you raise your tire and give it a spin, it should be round. Any potential failure will be noted with a little bump or dip while spun.
            5. Learn how to read the DOT stamp. Regardless of how good the tire looks, if its on the highway at speed, it will fail between 5 and 6 years of age. I though all trailer tires sucked as they all failed. What I now realize is that it never happens on your car becasue they are typically replaced before this age and they are constantly "exercised".
            6. You could invest in tire pressure monitors. A tire will heat up then fail. The monitor will give you some warning.
            7. Its has been said before but it's worth repeating. At every stop touch each hub for excessive heat and bearing failure and look for out of round tires.
            8. Have something that can cut a twisted tread away from the hub. The stainless bands are a bitch if the tire goes inward against the hub.
            9. If your trailer sits for long periods of time like mine (boat on lift) pull it to the grocery store every 3 months to heat and flex the tires. They get out of round and stiff if they sit too long. I once killed a new set of tires that sat unmoved for 12 months even though the trailer was empty and they were sitting on wood instead of the ground.

            Wow... a lot of life lessons here...

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            • Jonny Quest
              Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
              • Aug 2014
              • 384

              • Salt Lake City, Utah via Texas

              • 2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited with ZR6 Engine

              #7
              Lake Powell is a beautiful and wondrous place but it can also be very unforgiving to the inexperienced Lake Powell boater. I’m sorry that you hit a shoal in the lake. Your story is not unusual, as even the most seasoned LP boaters have been known to hit shoals, rocks, logs, you name it. One note... LP is 100 feet below full pool — not 30 feet. I really wish it was only 30 feet down...In June, the lake can rise 12-15” per day. Yes, you read that right. Sometime in July the lake level starts to drop. The rising/dropping lake levels can be very dangerous for obvious reasons. I was on the lake 3 weeks ago when a new G25 hit a shoal and took out its underwater gear. I had been skiing over that exact spot for 6 days...yes the SN has a much shallower draft than the G25, but it still gave me cause for concern.

              And I thought I had it rough dragging my Ski Nautique 300 miles to LP from SLC. Dang! Kentucky?!!

              JQ

              (You REALLY don’t want to come to Lake Powell...too crowded and too dangerous. Stay home. Save yourself.)

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              • Skidave
                Senior Member of PLANETNAUTIQUE
                • May 2005
                • 697

                • York, PA

                • 2003 Air 206 Team Sold: 1979 Ski Nautique (Brown!)

                #8
                Yep, yep, yep. I keep a single axle trailer drive on jack in my Suburban for flats. Had to use it once so far. They also make a tandem axle drive on jack too.

                I place antiseeze on my wheel stud threads. This prevents rusting to the lug nuts. Check torque specifications and check during the season. Mine dont become loose, but it is in my routine.

                As mentioned before, lug nuts can be an odd size or like my wheels...you need a thin-wall socket to get on the nut and inside the wheel cutout for the lug.

                Wonder how many owners here never tried to take a wheel off the trailer in their driveway. You sure as **** dont want to experience this on the side of the highway for your first time!

                Also, EZ-Lube spindles are great.

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                • DoubleUpDisaster
                  • Feb 2020
                  • 76

                  • Southern WI

                  • 2019 G21

                  #9
                  All of this after the swim platform thing? Rough end to the season!

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                  • bturner
                    1,000 Post Club Member
                    • Jun 2019
                    • 1578

                    • MI

                    • 2016 200 Sport Nautique

                    #10
                    Lots of great information and advice here that I've been following for years. One that gets overlooked frequently is the lug nuts. One of the first things I do is pull them off and use the anti-seize on them. I've worked on several low mileage trailers in the 5 to 6 year range with original tires that have never been off the trailer where the threads have become one with the stud. As stated above if you've never changed or had your wheels off your trailer I would highly recommend doing so before a long trip to.....
                    • A) make sure you can get them off without snapping a stud or being left with no threads on the stud.
                    • B) doing the dry run so you know you have everything you need to swap a wheel on the side of the road.
                    • C) ensure all the lug nuts are torqued to spec.

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                    • Johnny_Rock
                      • Dec 2016
                      • 216

                      • MN

                      • 2021 G23 (Previously 2016 G23)

                      #11
                      Great advice in this thread; too bad for the OP's bad luck. Any advice on finding someone that knows their way around the trailer brakes system? My local tire shop didn't really seem to confident. And Nautique dealer wanted way too much money to check out the trailer last time they worked on my boat.

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                      • kodiak
                        • Jan 2014
                        • 157

                        • Salt Lake City UT

                        • 2021 G23 ZZ8 2014 G21 550.(Sold)

                        #12
                        This shows you just how much the water changes from June to September.
                        http://lakepowell.water-data.com/

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                        • SilentSeven
                          1,000 Post Club Member
                          • Feb 2014
                          • 1868

                          • Bellevue WA

                          • 2004 Nautique 206

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Johnny_Rock View Post
                          Any advice on finding someone that knows their way around the trailer brakes system? My local tire shop didn't really seem to confident. And Nautique dealer wanted way too much money to check out the trailer last time they worked on my boat.
                          Look for an RV center...one that sells and services travel trailers. They will deal with trailer brakes all the time.
                          2004 206 Air Nautique Limited - Black with Vapor Blue (family style)
                          1997 Masters Edition Nautique - Zephyr Green - gone (amazing ski wake)
                          1982 Mastercraft Powerslot - gone (a primitive but wonderful beast)
                          Bellevue WA

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                          • Mahnal
                            • Apr 2019
                            • 92

                            • Bowling Green, KY

                            • 2014 SAN G25 - 550

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DoubleUpDisaster View Post
                            All of this after the swim platform thing? Rough end to the season!
                            So you read all most posts. Yes, the good news is that I am getting the swim platform fixed at the same time, but it was much much much more minor of an issue.

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                            • Mahnal
                              • Apr 2019
                              • 92

                              • Bowling Green, KY

                              • 2014 SAN G25 - 550

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Johnny_Rock View Post
                              Great advice in this thread; too bad for the OP's bad luck. Any advice on finding someone that knows their way around the trailer brakes system? My local tire shop didn't really seem to confident. And Nautique dealer wanted way too much money to check out the trailer last time they worked on my boat.
                              In addition to the RV center, you are bound to have trailer sales and service shop in a reasonable radius.

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