2021 G23 Ballast

[Tallredrider]

Isn't the spray from the gate just cosmetic? I am not sure how that is even mentioned as part of this conversation unless it actually does something. From what I am gathering from the conversation, it does not impact the wave. I don't see why it is even being mentioned.

The spray is just proxy for the NSS plate not being fully buried in the water. Fully burying the plate with more weight in the back of the boat enhances what the plate does and makes a better wave. Has anyone explained why they went away from the standard 2850 pounds of ballast that has been used for years? It seems to me that is about the exact amount needed to create the better wave.

[Roscoef16]

Tail- ‘21 G23s are a completely new hull, same as the Paragon without the engine/transmission/weight of the Paragon tower. Thus, the ballast set up is 2200, not 2850 as with older G hulls. That’s why it is different, and why I started this thread because I believe it to be under ballasted. How much underweight seems to be around previous weights, but again, that was a completely different hull. In my G, the spray is not cosmetic - no idea where you got that impression. This is my 3rd G and while I’ve tinkered with weights on the previous ones, the wave in this one is not as clean and there is plenty of good input on the previous page to address that. I’m currently on a trip and look forward to running it / testing more next week, but in my experiences, all G23s do better with weight at the foot of the tower and aft (coffins) vice fully aft (in the aft lockers). All boats behave a little different, but that’s what I found on my ‘17 and ‘19-so I think I’ve got a pretty good understanding of what NSS is (and does). As to my ‘21, I don’t have it just right yet but I’m closer than I was when we started.

[greggmck]

Tallredrider Yes, you are correct. The spray has no impact on the surf wave it's just a unique byproduct of the larger NSS deflecting the water. It does cause a large spray of water on the non-surf side, not typical of any prior Gs so I guess it takes some by surprise. Here is a pic of the spray from the boat.

[Kmayotte]

Wow, read this whole post thinking it was much ado about nothing. But the spray in the pic above....yeah that would bother me...

[bird_dog0347]

I dunno, It's clearly there and from that angle it looks bad, but here's a video from when my cousin and I did a demo behind the P23... You can see the spray on the starboard side but it's never in the wave where we were riding so I never really noticed it.

https://imgur.com/uDspZu9

[Johnny_Rock]

FYI I talked extensively w two different dealers about the (inadequate) ballast situation in the 21 G23s. One told me they could plumb in additional ballast under the floor. Other told me it couldn’t be done. Both said they consulted w the Nautique rep.

Which one is right?

[GMLIII]

Wouldn't it be a lot less hassle to get 800-900 lbs of steel shot bags and be done with it? Plumbing extra ballast is such a pain.

[Johnny_Rock]

Wouldn't it be a lot less hassle to get 800-900 lbs of steel shot bags and be done with it? Plumbing extra ballast is such a pain.

Would potentially be overweight on my boat lift. Would have weigh cost of new lift vs. the expense of addl plumbed-in under-floor ballasts.

But first step would be knowing if it is even possible.

[Kenv]

I don't think you would need 900 pounds....I believe Greg said you can get a NICE wave with 600...or at least I thought it was 600. I'm gonna try stock and then throw 300 under each back seat by the tower posts. 50% of the time i'm only surfing with 3 in the boat one behind...then there are days I have 7 or eight in the boat....so my booty ballast is there.

[MG94]

If you want to see a rooster tail try wakeboarding behind it at 55-60’ ft.


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[blufly]

Hi guys - im chiming in a little late here but I have just ordered a 22 G23 and have opted for the ZZ8 - you guys probably have a lot more time on your boats now so im looking for a bit more info on where you see added weight needing to go into the G to match the P wave performance.
I have ordered it with the power actuated tower also as im trying to get the base dry weight up as a better start point.
I want to add a little lead weight but I have to travel a fair way regularly to get to the lake so I have to be cautious and realistic with Lead as its not real practical for my use.
Reading thru these threads not sure if anyone has opted for the zz8 in the G and then loaded it up.- but if so does added weight drop the NSS plate under the waterline and remove the spray rooster ? - can anyone comment on what added weight does in the Paragon to the wave and where it has been added ? has anyone put a ****load in ? does it washout ? if so at what point does this happen - does it just max out?
Im in NZ so by the time it reaches production the gets shipped all the way here i won't get this till December later this year.
I Currently have a 13G with the 450 and have dialled it as much as poss but with the 1:48 it is limited even with the 2315 so we have weight under the cabin seats then the surf side rear locker to list slightly as this has proved the best for us.
I dont want to go in to this next boat under gunned as we do have some minor elevation at some of our lakes in the south and based on what im reading the Fuel consumption for the ZZ8 is probably goin to be similar as my current boat so im not concerned about that, its more what level of additonal weight can produce for the wave quality
We Only surf now so with the G getting the new Hull the time is right for us to move into a new boat and this forum over the years has been very helpful and informative with setup and fault finding so im genuinely really interested in any comments from you guys as living in new zealand our network with G owners is extremely limited
thanks in advance

[blufly]

This probably a dumb question, but can the new bags simple be pulled out and replaced with the old bags from GEN2 G to give back the stock 2850?
does anyone know if this is possible or seen photos of the bottom mould compared to the old G mould?
I simply cant afford a Paragon as the exchange rate, shipping then import duty puts this out of touch for me unfortunately but I am prepared to push a G specd with a ZZ8 into the mix so i can get the wave geometry as good as possible with extra weight and not have any power or trans restraints to achieve my goal.

[Kenv]

Blufly....on the G23....your're probably at 220k with options...then you're adding the ZZ8 for ANOTHER 25K.....just ask cousin Eddie for another 50k and boom....you're into a Paragon. You know the kids want the reclining seats....LOL. Just kidding of course. And....I can't answer your ballast question. I'm just going to go with some lead bags and experiment when mine comes in. Good luck with getting it to the Paragon like wave. Keep us posted with what might work in the future. KV

[greggmck]

blufly I can help you with a few of your questions. For starters I don't believe you can safely add enough weight to completely submerge the NSS plates on the new hull. If it were possible the wave would probably wash out.

Second, I have added up to 1,000 lbs to the Paragon. After 400lbs it became pointless, because it just made the wave steeper and it became necessary to reduce the wave setting to surf the wave. We are very accomplished surfers and when the wave is too steep it makes tricks nearly impossible because one can't land air/spin tricks on the side of a cliff, if you know what I mean. Some will like the massive push it offers but after a few weeks one will not progress much. Also we experimented with weight location in the Paragon and found that weight forward of the front passenger seat reduced wave push. We opted for 400lbs total in the rear seat coffin storage areas. 250lbs port, 150lbs starboard.

I know a very accomplished surfer that has the G with the ZZ8 and she opted for 750lbs of lead to get the G wave to be close to the Paragon. I will also add that the G without the ZZ8 has a weight limit of about 700 to 800 lbs of additional weight before the wave becomes very hard and less surf-able. In my opinion 400 to 600lbs close to the tower with 150lbs extra on the port side is ideal with that boat/engine combination.

Hope this helps.

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[blufly]

Hi Greg - thanks for your thoughts on this as you clearly have exceptional pedigree in this area - this definitely puts my mind at ease knowing that im not goin to have to go to great lengths to slam it to get the ultimate result - but what im understanding is that the GEN3 simply just needs the old stock ballast setup of 2850 and it would be perfect -give or take a few lead bags- which would be perfect for my long haul application.
I have ordered it on a triple axle due to the regular travel distance so minimal lead will be fine i just didn't want rely on lead - So based on this Im stil wondering if there is room under the floor for the bigger bags ? clearly the GEN3 hull is massive has anyone got any build pics of the lower deck before the top skin goes on to see the construction layout compared to the old mould? as then all would stil run perfectly from a factory perspective without the added drama of filling locker bags for me
there must be a reason Nautique dropped the stock ballast and this is clearly an issue with the wave performance on the G