Surf wave

[Avargas]

Hi everyone, I’m new to this site so sorry if this has been answered. I’m looking to purchase a 2004 Super Air Nautique 210 TE. I will be wakeboarding 40% and surfing 60%. From what I’ve read, the wakeboard wake is great and the surf wave is okay. It has the stock ballast system and I could obviously add additional surf system equipment. The boat has 300 hours and is in excellent condition. The price is $31k. My question is, should I stay away from this boat and hold out for a 2007 or newer and spend more money, or can this boat out out a decent surf wave. Thank you all for your help!

[JAppler]

If you’re willing to put the time (initial set up and switching time on the water) and effort into surfing(additional ballast and suck gate) it can produce a good wave.... if it was 60 wakeboard and 40 surf I’d say all day the 210 is for you.

But realistically this boat was never designed for surf so it takes some effort to set it up but you can surf behind it. I say get a newer boat and spend a little more, and you’ll be happier.


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[ScooterMcgavin]

Get newer 210 if possible , they surf much better. I have had both

[Avargas]

Thank you for the help. Unfortunately here in CA the price jumps a lot to get a 2007+. This is my first boat and I’d like to get it right the first time, but if I can make this boat get a decent wave then I might have to go this route. I’d like to get something before spring since prices will more than likely go up. I appreciate all the advise

[shag]

You will have to list that hull to the surf side to get a nice wave, but it can be done.. And tape over the surf side rear vent (which may or may not be advisable) to keep water out.

[shag]

An older 230 hull may suit you better - but more $$$$ (2007 236 is the same hull as 230 of 2008-2009)

[MNSuperAir]

Welcome to PN and Nautique. The OG 210's had a pretty good surf wave with a wake shaper and some ballast. I had a 2006 210 (different prop rotation than 2005 and older) with the mission delta wake shaper and 750# bags in the rear lockers and had a great surf wave. Almost better than my 2016 210 stock. FYI, I sold that boat in July for $35k which seems crazy but COVID has raised the prices on boats in general. One of the only things I didn't like was folding the tower on the 2006 with a few speakers. It was HEAVY.

[hal2814]

I had a 95 Super Sport when I first got into wake surfing. It’s the same hull as the early 210..I put almost 3,000lbs of ballast in that thing, tried listing, tried a wedge, played with weight distribution, etc. At the end of the day I had an ok surf wave. I got in my friend’s 2010 210 with piggyback sacs and a wedge. It was amazing in comparison. I sold the Super Sport and bought a 230 a month later. The 230 wave is similar to the newer 210 wave but longer. As a surf-first boat, I personally would not consider an earlier 210.

[markj]

What surprises me the most here is no one has mentioned the deal you’re potentially getting. $31K for a 300 hour 2004 210 in great shape is a very good deal considering the times we’re in. You shouldn’t lose a penny on this boat unless there’s some hidden, major problem with it. I had a 2005 210 (same boat except for the tower) and had the surf wake dialed. Prepare to spend about $1,000 on ballast bags etc to get it set up. If you don’t like it, put it back on the market in 4-5 months and make money on it.

[hal2814]

Yes, the boat itself is a great deal from the description. I would have a driveway full of 2001s and ProStars if I bought every great deal that came along. Fortunately I’d have the room because my wife would’ve been long gone at that point. For someone who wants to surf 60% of the time I’d pass unless it were a good enough deal to immediately flip it and put the proceeds towards something better suited to my interests. And I’m not saying the older 210 is a bad surf wave. It’s just not in the same league as the generation hulls that immediately followed it (210/220/230/236) as far as surf is concerned when comparing a dialed in boat to a dialed in boat. There’s somebody out there who mostly wants to wakeboard and maybe occasionally throw a surf board in the water when they’re tired. Let them buy that 2003. They’re going to enjoy it a lot more.

[Avargas]

Well, I bought the boat. He was the original owner and meticulously cared for it....I was pleasantly surprised with how great of condition it’s in. In reality, my boys will probably wakeboard a bit more than surf, so I went for it. If things change and we end up wanting to surf more, I’ll probably upgrade once these covid people realize they spent too much on their spontaneous purchase. My plan is to pull out the original ballast tanks and fill the rear with larger bags, add a bag to the belly and some weight up front, plus a surf gate. My question is, should I just add bags on top of the original rear tanks or remove them? In my opinion, it seems more streamline to just take them out and put larger bags in. Thanks again y’all!

[Stevemo14]

I took out my hard tanks, and put in Ronix 800's that i bought from Wakemakers. Being that we do not board or surf the entire time we are out, the added space in the lockers makes a huge difference.

I have a 2005 that I pretty much restored, so if you have any questions please let me know.

https://www.planetnautique.com/vb5/f...-in-the-making here is my writeup on my boat if you haven't seen it.

[JAppler]

Now that you bit the bullet welcome to the 210 club...

Yes I bought this boat thinking I’d wakeboard, then I started surfing and quickly realized the long term benefits to my body by surfing and haven’t gone back...

There are tons of threads here to help you out on weighting the boat, but here’s my two cents.

Dump the stock tanks in the stern, and DO NOT buy the the wake buster kit from wake makers, it does not have enough weight to surf(or if you want the 550lb bags I’ll sell you mine) get the 750s or Ronix 800s you’ll be happier as you don’t have to fill them all the way...

Next cut the cooler out of the bow and piggy back the stock tank. The stock belly tank is nice to wakeboarding but is not enough in the nose to surf with only a few people in the boat.

Pretty much any suck gate will work, you’ll have to play around with it as far as placement, and weighting the boat matter a lot so plan on spending time working on placement.

As far as wakeboard set up, there isn’t much... hit the start button and go...

Have fun, be safe and us PND for discounts at Wakemakers


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[Stevemo14]

I for got to say congrats, and welcome to the Family.

[Avargas]

Thanks for all the info! I was already looking at the 750’s so this confirmed my options. Does anyone have a recommendations for which ballast to use under the bow seats? Once again, thank you all for your advise!!!!