1,450 Pounds More Ballast in 2022 G23 & G25!

[astilley]

I’VE FOUND PROOF!!! The 2022 software update should work in the 2021 models! Sometimes it pays to have OCD. At a minimum this clearly gives me some hope.

Below is a screenshot of a YouTube product review of a 2021 Super Air Nautique G23 completed by Power Boating Magazine on March 18th, 2021. The picture clearly shows the new software being used in a 2021 model between 1:19 and 1:21. You can see there are still only 3 ballast tanks but the LINC Panoray background is clearly the same as the 2022 (which is funny because just before they zeroed in on the Wake Pro screen it showed the old screen). I’ve also provided a link to the video just below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS64yUe4GB8

Now here is the 2022 product overview of the new ballast option Nautique posted, which clearly shows the same background at 9 seconds into the video filling 5 ballast tanks. I’ve provided a screenshot of this video below as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a97FOMxJH9A

You can clearly see on the left side of the LINC Panoray in both pictures and videos the icons and formatting matchup.

This is huge!!! I think that as long as the software can be updated then there should definitely be a way to add the supplemental ballast. I know that Nautique won't be making a "kit" for the 2021 boats but if we can update the software then there is no difference between a 2021 and a 2022. I also agree with Bevostein that the install is going to be up to the dealers. I honestly think that this is going to be able to be installed by the dealers because what if someone orders a 2022 G without this option and wants to add it on later. Dealers have been able to install the "Pro Ballast" option on the GS boats so I don't see why this would be any different.

[boomersooner]

It's funny how the only time I worry about not having enough ballast and how I bought a dud is when I'm on this page. Otherwise, I am a happy '21 owner when I'm back there surfing behind my G. The ballast would have been nice to avoid hauling the extra weight around the lake when we aren't surfing. I'm told the dealer can add ballast for me if I want it. I have not investigated how they go about it.

[wakeupwindermere]

Looking forward to seeing exactly how this system is plumbed in. As we know there is room in the 2021 sub floor as I have
the lead in there and it is a huge area for the extra bags. I expect there is a solution available for this eventually. Just be nice instead of carrying lead weight which I cannot dump when novices are wakeboarding so they are already having to cope with the lead I am carrying making the wake bigger. Surely nautique is going to look after 2021 buyers. Especially as many of us commented the ballast weight was a disappointment on the 2021. I will certainly push my dealer to put comments in. If we all do this maybe there will be an option of support. There are a lot of 2021 G’s out there and this is an option many of us agree should be available somehow for us. Let’s see what is entailed exactly when we know how it fully works.

[GMLIII]

Looking forward to seeing exactly how this system is plumbed in. As we know there is room in the 2021 sub floor as I have
the lead in there and it is a huge area for the extra bags. I expect there is a solution available for this eventually. Just be nice instead of carrying lead weight which I cannot dump when novices are wakeboarding so they are already having to cope with the lead I am carrying making the wake bigger. Surely nautique is going to look after 2021 buyers. Especially as many of us commented the ballast weight was a disappointment on the 2021. I will certainly push my dealer to put comments in. If we all do this maybe there will be an option of support. There are a lot of 2021 G’s out there and this is an option many of us agree should be available somehow for us. Let’s see what is entailed exactly when we know how it fully works.

You 2021 G owners need to post something about this issue on Nautique Boat Owners Facebook page as well.

[Skipdawg316]

I hope you guys are not setting yourselves up for a big disappointment. Everything I’ve seen, heard, and asked about this says its won’t be happening. At least anything that’s officially done by Nautique.

Again, I’m empathic to this whole situation, just don’t want to see it get worst by getting hopes up then having it remain a no. I hope I’m wrong, and they do in fact do it.

If someone can point to an official communication where they have said this, and I’ve missed it, then that’s great too.


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[blufly]

FATsac have the factory replacement bags - double tap fill - double Tap empty - easy fix - no more problem

[FireBreathingRubberDucky]

I hope you guys are not setting yourselves up for a big disappointment. Everything I’ve seen, heard, and asked about this says its won’t be happening. At least anything that’s officially done by Nautique.

Again, I’m empathic to this whole situation, just don’t want to see it get worst by getting hopes up then having it remain a no. I hope I’m wrong, and they do in fact do it.

If someone can point to an official communication where they have said this, and I’ve missed it, then that’s great too.


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I’m way past the point of big disappointment. At this juncture I’m just searching for a fix and making sure the frustration is heard by Nautique. I thought about using my wife’s Facebook to post on the Nautique page (I don’t have any social media), however once again my dealer asked me to give it some time to see what happens.

I called Fatsac but haven’t heard anything back yet. My understanding is they have two large replacement bags, instead of two additional bags. So if I were to do this, I would need to look into getting the fast fill pumps similar to Mastercraft, permitting the G23 would support this option so it doesn’t’ take too long to fill.

[davenew12@gmail.com]

My rep says there is a sizable rib under the deck of the 2021 (where the 2022 extra tanks now sit) that will not allow a supplemental ballast to be added easily. Fatsac (or someone else) would have to develop a custom geometry to straddle the rib with an extended drain tube to reach over the rib for full drain function. He has asked the factory twice (on my behalf) about the software upgrade as well. The boys in Orlando aren't budging. No underfloor ballast options or software upgrades for this unicorn (yet). Since my 2021 has yet to be delivered, should I take a hard pass and wait for the 2022 later this year???

[Bert12]

I've been reading this thread for a while and waiting for somebody to make this point, but it hasn't happened. Does anybody remember the initial G23? 2013? If I remember correctly, the original 2013 was geared and propped wrong. People complained about it at length. Both problems fixed in the 2014 model. This is a risk everybody takes on being an early adopter. This is true for cars, phones, computers, and yes, even boats. Expecting the manufacturer to either A. Not refine issues encountered in the original, or B. somehow make retrograde fixes to the previous model when it's already out the door is just not realistic. Why would that happen? The boat is out the door.

I have a 2014 G23 (my fourth Nautique over 30 years). Do I wish it had some of the changes made in subsequent years? Like better stereo options, better hull (without the cockpit splash), better LINC, stern thruster, etc.? Absolutely. Do I expect Nautique to somehow make them available after I bought the boat? Absolutely not. Those who bought 2021 models should have either taken a test drive, or expected a certain amount of risk if buying "sight unseen (or unsurfed)." Most of the comments on here sound to me like whining. You have a great boat. The fit and finish is beyond anything else available. The boats have awesome resale value (yes, even the 2013s and 2021s)Maybe you don't like the wave and have to add some weight. If you don't like the boat, or need to have the latest updates, then just get a new boat every year, and factor that into your expenses. Otherwise, stop reading about the updates, and just enjoy the fact that you have a great boat and enjoy it!

[FireBreathingRubberDucky]

I've been reading this thread for a while and waiting for somebody to make this point, but it hasn't happened. Does anybody remember the initial G23? 2013? If I remember correctly, the original 2013 was geared and propped wrong. People complained about it at length. Both problems fixed in the 2014 model. This is a risk everybody takes on being an early adopter. This is true for cars, phones, computers, and yes, even boats. Expecting the manufacturer to either A. Not refine issues encountered in the original, or B. somehow make retrograde fixes to the previous model when it's already out the door is just not realistic. Why would that happen? The boat is out the door.

I have a 2014 G23 (my fourth Nautique over 30 years). Do I wish it had some of the changes made in subsequent years? Like better stereo options, better hull (without the cockpit splash), better LINC, stern thruster, etc.? Absolutely. Do I expect Nautique to somehow make them available after I bought the boat? Absolutely not. Those who bought 2021 models should have either taken a test drive, or expected a certain amount of risk if buying "sight unseen (or unsorted)." Most of the comments on here sound to me like whining. You have a great boat. The fit and finish is beyond anything else available. The boats have awesome resale value (yes, even the 2013s and 2021s)Maybe you don't like the wave and have to add some weight. If you don't like the boat, or need to have the latest updates, then just get a new boat every year, and factor that into your expenses. Otherwise, stop reading about the updates, and just enjoy the fact that you have a great boat and enjoy it!

While I don’t disagree with many of your points, you lost me at “whining.” I would argue you sound a little self righteous in your own right. It’s really quite simple on my part and I don’t see why this is so difficult to understand. I would like an option to add the new ballast features, which I fully intend to pay for, through my dealer. There are a couple reasons for this, one being so I don’t void any potential warranty issues that could arise in the future and I would like it to integrate these changes into my current software. I fail to understand how it couldn’t benefit them to make an after market factory upgrade option. They’re still making money on the deal and they don’t do any of the work. The automotive industry does this all the time. I checked so many times before my boat ever went in to production to see if they could just add it at the factory...this was literally the only thing I checked on a regular basis. And to be told over and over it just wasn’t an option in this boat, only to find out this was the plan all along is frustrating. Nautique’s are a beautiful boat but I can’t say from a fit and finish standpoint they’re any better than a Mastercraft. There are things I like better on the Nautique, such as the helm and walkthrough. There are things I like better on the MC, such as the upholstery and Handling. I can say this however, I am done with this thread and done wasting my breath on the issue. It doesn’t sound like it’s going to change and CC does not appear to care based on what’s been communicated to this point.

[AdamUCF]

While I don’t disagree with many of your points, you lost me at “whining.” I would argue you sound a little self righteous in your own right. It’s really quite simple on my part and I don’t see why this is so difficult to understand. I would like an option to add the new ballast features, which I fully intend to pay for, through my dealer. There are a couple reasons for this, one being so I don’t void any potential warranty issues that could arise in the future and I would like it to integrate these changes into my current software. I fail to understand how it couldn’t benefit them to make an after market factory upgrade option. They’re still making money on the deal and they don’t do any of the work. The automotive industry does this all the time. I checked so many times before my boat ever went in to production to see if they could just add it at the factory...this was literally the only thing I checked on a regular basis. And to be told over and over it just wasn’t an option in this boat, only to find out this was the plan all along is frustrating. Nautique’s are a beautiful boat but I can’t say from a fit and finish standpoint they’re any better than a Mastercraft. There are things I like better on the Nautique, such as the helm and walkthrough. There are things I like better on the MC, such as the upholstery and Handling. I can say this however, I am done with this thread and done wasting my breath on the issue. It doesn’t sound like it’s going to change and CC does not appear to care based on what’s been communicated to this point.

I wouldn't let the response of the customer service person be get you all worked up. The 2022 isn't even out yet. Relax. Nautique is kind of "lazy" (in a good way for consumers) with their software/firmware/hardware. For example, I have a 2016 210. It has the non-touch Linc 2. I'm not sure of the exact architecture of their firmware but it can be updated to a current release and you can buy the latest NSS module and have support for the Garmin watches. I'm pretty sure if I called Nautique and asked them if I can add support for the Garmin watches to my 2016 210 they'd say "uhhh no" but the reality is it works just fine.

I would bet that after the 2022 is launched, your dealer could update your Linc to the latest version that's shipping with the 2022s and toggle a setting in the dealer settings to enable controls for the pro ballast (or whatever they're calling it). Then it would be a matter of buying two new ballast king (I assume) pumps, wiring them in and plumbing them up to the new bags. I assume the dealers could order all of those parts and do it for you. Will it be a kit blessed by Nautique? Doubtful but who cares. Obviously if what davenew12@gmail.com said is accurate you're going to be in trouble and there's not much that Nautique or anyone else could do. The other concern is with two new pumps, do those also have two new intake ports or does it piggyback off existing ports? Someone will likely need to reverse engineer a 2022 to really know.

[surfnjosh]

The 2022 will OBVIOUSLY have 2 more pumps. Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to fill/drain each bag separately like shown in the short video. A software update is simple simple but there would need to be additional wiring to accommodate the new pumps and this is the bigger issue with “retrofitting” and running it within the touchscreen.

it’s really not that big of a deal. Just buy custom fit bags for the empty cavity. Drill a bunch of holes and run the two new pumps on rocker switches and just hide them under dash or under the drivers arm rest. That’s what I’m going to do.

the funny thing is the wave is still better AS IS than almost any other boat on the planet and people who can barely surf are probably whining about it hahaha

[stereoman405]

Hi guys with the 21’ G - FATsac have a replacement factory bag for 21 model G25/23 - it’s priced as a custom bag and isn’t listed on there site - you just swap them out for the factory ones- I had ordered these for my 22’G but cancelled the order on Sat morning when the Nautique 22’ model updates came thru
they are 1450’s - so basically the same as the new supplement but are just larger bags an will run off 1 pump - looks like the 22 will have additional bags and hopefully pumps also to speed up the fill/empty process
C1312 port C1313 StB are the product codes and are $325 each - ask for Ben - I had gone down this road knowing that the New G was under weighted and I have to travel to get to lake so lead isn’t an option for me
This new weight is pushing the G into P weight territory so I’m glad I have ordered with the ZZ8 and would expect more being optioned this way
I325

You have me really curious about this.

I have a fleet of Nautique rentals and bought myself a 2021 G25 this year as more of a personal use boat, first trip out with one adult, 5 small kids = VERY disappointed, tossed in 750 of lead, couldn't be happier. But it would be nice to not have to tow the lead around.

My understanding is that factory ballast level is decided by a combination of pressure sensor and built in timers? Is that not the case? If it's just pressure sensors I could see where they'd just fill until full with a bigger sack. I don't' want to mess with manually running the top off every time. I bet you'd have to cycle 3 or for time to fill the extra weight up. That would be a PITA to explain to renters on fill up and drain. "Don't trust the screen, just run it into is pees ,or until you hear a dry whirring sound."

[scottb7]

You have me really curious about this.

I have a fleet of Nautique rentals and bought myself a 2021 G25 this year as more of a personal use boat, first trip out with one adult, 5 small kids = VERY disappointed, tossed in 750 of lead, couldn't be happier. But it would be nice to not have to tow the lead around.

My understanding is that factory ballast level is decided by a combination of pressure sensor and built in timers? Is that not the case? If it's just pressure sensors I could see where they'd just fill until full with a bigger sack. I don't' want to mess with manually running the top off every time. I bet you'd have to cycle 3 or for time to fill the extra weight up. That would be a PITA to explain to renters on fill up and drain. "Don't trust the screen, just run it into is pees ,or until you hear a dry whirring sound."

good luck with that.. for rentals a aerator pump (non-nautique) would be way better. then they would just empty out side of boat, and over flow out side of boat. and no damage to impellers for running dry.

[surfnjosh]

I just added bags (650lbx2 )to my empty cavities in my 2021 g23. I tied them in to the existing pumps with Tee fittings. they fill /empty perfectly. I still had 500# of lead in my boat and with that and everything full (4000lb total ballast) it was TOO MUCH...... removing all lead and more experimenting.......