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Serious question here. Why surf in coves and other similar areas as opposed to open water? I know this topic has been around, but I had to put up with a G series this morning in calmer area of the lake (narrow channel). There wasn’t even many boats out in the main body at the time. I think 99% of members here know better, but if you were the green G on Allatoona this morning near Little River Marina, you are one of the ones that will be responsible for regulating/banning of surf boats if it comes about. Even if it doesn’t come to that, learn to respect everyone else on the water.
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I can’t speak for everyone but when I’m near the shore it’s for wind protection. Without a rope to actively pull the surfer, wake surfing is more drastically affected by wind than other watersport. Also, the chop created by wind is a lot harder to deal with than occasional chop from other boats. That all being said, I don’t get close to shoreline with docks, boat ramps, etc. but I’ll hug a dam or other tall, steep shoreline when the wind kicks up. -
Hate to say it, but likely because most of the folks who can afford these high end wake boats have no idea what they are doing with little regard for others. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say it's ignorance. I wonder how many of these folks have actually spent time in a DD boat? How many trying to catch a slalom set have been swamped by wake boats coming within 50 feet? Faced boaters going clockwise when they should be towing counter clockwise? Use the line at the pier (boat) as opposed to the line on the shore (trailer)?Originally posted by rbalan View PostComment
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Yep, we had a downed rider and were picking her up when it came down the channel at us. I had to push her away from the boat and get the nose pointed the opposite direction of the rollers. I managed to get it turned around an took a roller over the back of my boat.Comment
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I call BS the ocean surfers don't get to hide from the wind or chop. If you learn your sport you can do it anywhere. Show skiers don't get to choose the day or conditions before they perform. Surfing is just the flavor of the month like tubing it takes very little skill or strength to do. Surfing in a cove or narrow area is ignorant . When I used to see another inboard on the water I knew that he knew because Wallies didn't buy inboards. Now everybody wants a 200k surfship and seeks out the butter with no regard for others or shorelineOriginally posted by hal2814 View PostComment
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We won't surf in coves but do look for at least some wind protection if the conditions call for it, however there's not really any private property along the shore where we surf/ride as it's all Corp of Engineers owned. If we are wanting to wakeboard, coves are generally preferred but I will wait my turn if there are others in the cove and pull up and ask to share the line. If I'm the first one there and someone else comes in I also approach them and talk about sharing the line, 99% of the time they are cool with it.Comment
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I have NEVER in my life seen a skier leave the coves and hit the main lake because show skiers sometimes have to deal with choppy conditions. The idea of it is completely ridiculous. Why would wake surfing be any different? The ideal conditions for surfing whether it be behind a boat or on the ocean is no wind. Do people surf in wind? Yes. Will they avoid it if given an option? Yes.Originally posted by Nautiquehunter View PostComment
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FWIW, I think this is what was being calling out:
“wake surfing is more drastically affected by wind than other watersport”Comment
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It's been discussed all over the message boards across the many forums that involve watersports all together. For the life of me I don't get it either. The surfers need or seem to think they need smooth water to surf
??? I dunno. Maybe they just enjoy have to turn the boat around every 1/2 mile or so because they enjoy the bounce back from the their first, second and third pass? Or its to show off the 2 other branded surf machines that my surf wave is better than your surf wave. Could be that they like watch those course bouys bounce up and down till one finally breaks loose. That is what we deal with in SKIER COVE on Lanier. Yes I know its not everyone and the usual response is its a public lake man I'll do whatever the **** I want. me, Me ME!!!!! I've surfed with friends and even with Nautiquehunter but we know you don't do it in a small cove. Let the skiers have it.... ever tried to teach someone to ski for the first time in a surfer soup bowl? It's been mentioned here and it will continue too but until etiquette has been ingrained in the owners of surf machines brains or the home owners or ACOE or power companies who own the lakes start banning surfing on lakes period it's gonna be an issue. I ski the course and would love to ski in open water but have you tried running a ski boat at 34 mph in chop from 40 ft yachts and swerve?
I was on a lake in TN with a bunch of other Nautique owners and was blown away by the ettiquette the locals practice there. We were barefooting and slalom skiing and those who were surfing stayed away from the cove we were in. The folks cruising in other boats throttled back to idle while to give us the water needed to do slalom or foot. When the skier quit or fell then they throttled up to get to the back of the cove. ****dest thing I ever saw. They get it! Smith mountain lake is cracking down of surfing and it's only a matter of time before small coves ban watersports of every kind on every lake is banned. That is really gonna hit the skiers, the footers, and those of us trying to teach someone to ski for the first time including that 4 year old kid or 65 year old kid who wants to give it go. Ya don't need to surf in small coves so PLEASE STOP!!If you can't do it in, on, or behind a Nautique..... It just ain't worth doing!Comment
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My opinion is that it's BETTER to surf in the coves for EVERYONE.,... better for the surfer because calmer waters, less crowded and the wake/wave disappears sooner when it hits the shore. If you surf in the middle of the lake, the waves/wakes go on forever and ever and get bigger and bigger in most lakes. That means if you surf in the open waters then you are making it more choppy for the wakeboarders who want it smooth. Either way people are going to get mad one way or the other, you are ****ed if you do and ****ed if you don't. So if it's your boat, then you surf wherever you want to surf and just stay out of other peoples way and respect each other on the water. That's all it comes down to.Comment
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I have never in my life seen a surfship have to leave a cove because a skier came in and ruined the water. Its game over the minuet a surfer enters the cove get 2 or more and they ruin it for themselves.Originally posted by hal2814 View PostComment
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We find the smoothest water possible to surf and then when we are done surfing, we get out the tube and pull that. Tubing in calm water is the best.
Actually, we will surf in a cove or out in the open. Depends on how strong the wind is blowing. My wife prefers the open because she doesn't have to deal with other boaters. I'm always surprised by the ski/wake boats that will come up into the cove pulling a tube. I just think they should know better. Ultimately, I deal with it because I don't own the lake and technically they can tube wherever they want.Comment
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Not defending stupidity in any form....but why don't the tubers, combo skiiers, kneeboarders etc.... "deserve" the same water that the wakeboarders, footers and slalomers do?? Just because it's a tube....doesn't mean you need to beat the sh&t out of the boat and tube to have fun. Tubers don't have designated area to be in. A little calmer non-windy cove is for ALL to enjoy. Tube on my brothers.....tube on!!!!!Comment
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I think it is a mistake to presume some deserve flat water and shelter from the wind while others don't. Having been a three event water skier, wakeboarder and now surfer, I can say flat water is important to us all. It helps to finish a short line pass, jump further and hit difficult tricks. I get that many don't aspire to be the best they can be, but everyone should have the ability to use any area of accessible water...provided they respect the rules, limit impact to the shoreline, and keep the appropriate distance from others with respect to the size of their wake. It's far too easy to think about one's self as being special while other's are inconsiderate and undeserving.
However those f'in tubers, now they are the worse! Driving like crazy all over the lake. They definitely ruin it for us all!
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the one that drives me nuts is the guys surfing just outside the no wake zone just going back and forth just outside the buoy line! I tried surfing and honestly growing up and living near the beach surfing behind a boat just doesn't do it for me.
I frequent Parker Az and its amazing the amount of people that choose to surf that small section of river when Havasu and Havasu springs is really only minutes away and the water stays calmer for way longer.Comment
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