Reliability of G23 Paragon?

[aromeo]

460 hours here on our P25 and the only issue I would consider we’ve had is the fuel. When we took delivery you could only get about 60 percent fuel in the tanks and then it would only trickle in regardless of nozzle position and the other fuel cap being open or closed. Took almost an hour at the pump to get 100 percent, pretty frustrating. My dealer (who’s amazing btw) came down and quickly realized there was too much fuel line in the fuel tank from the factory. After removing 3 feet of line from each side it goes straight up to 92 percent before trickling in the rest. Might have your dealer check the fuel line length, according to my dealer ours wasn’t the only boat off the assembly line with this issue.

Seems like such rudimentary issues that QA should not be missing..

[srock]

Many years ago I rode an American Skier and to keep it simple and reliable we used a boom box for music. I don't every remember having a problem.

[Tchur1]

Man this is such a tired take. We get it, you don't like the innovation and technology in the modern surf boats and thats all good but what value are you adding to the OP letting him know you used a boombox 30 years ago.

The new boats are pretty **** reliable, I have over 800 hours on my current boat (2020 xstar) and have had only a couple minor issues with it (replacing a ballast pump 775 hours in and a surf tab actuator at like 500 hours). The innovation has brought a ton of new people to the sport (for better or worse) and on the whole these new surf boats bring a lot more to the table than any reliability issues might detract.

That being said, all things outlined by the OP are pretty minor and can be addressed with small fixes. Just my $02, this stuff drives me nuts though

[Kenv]

LOL.....so funny...but true. Like on Facebook when the poster puts in the description..."Having lunch at Baits and Brew in Austin, Texas on lake Travis" The second person to post will be like..."Cool picture....what lake is this?"

[scottb7]

Man this is such a tired take. We get it, you don't like the innovation and technology in the modern surf boats and thats all good but what value are you adding to the OP letting him know you used a boombox 30 years ago.

The new boats are pretty **** reliable, I have over 800 hours on my current boat (2020 xstar) and have had only a couple minor issues with it (replacing a ballast pump 775 hours in and a surf tab actuator at like 500 hours). The innovation has brought a ton of new people to the sport (for better or worse) and on the whole these new surf boats bring a lot more to the table than any reliability issues might detract.

That being said, all things outlined by the OP are pretty minor and can be addressed with small fixes. Just my $02, this stuff drives me nuts though

Yeah, well maybe. What value is there of calling out the guy you said didn't add value? It all just opinions. So i think it fair for anyone to say whatever they want. If it wasn't ok then the moderator would step in.

And honestly I think it is pretty fair to question the reliability based on the OP list.

Look at the very first one. "1. Display cable disconnected - took them three tries to finally fix it."

Yeah for sure minor. But it should NOT happen. It is a question of reliability. And sure as heck should not happen 3 times.

[Tchur1]

I never said he couldn't post his opinion, just stated that I think it's a tired take on something that added no value to the platform. Maybe calling it out doesn't add value either. I have added my thoughts earlier in this thread on ways to solve the issues the OP is posting about.

I agree that these types of things "shouldn't happen", but these are boats. They are handmade. Stuff breaks on them. It's frustrating when it happens so doubt but its also part of owning a boat. I never stated that the OP shouldn't be asking the questions or looking for remedies to his issues, thats what this platform is for, was more stating that saying you used a boombox for a stereo 30 years ago does nothing to help the OP and realistically boats now are more reliable and bring more to the table than they did even 15 years ago.

[aromeo]

Many years ago I rode an American Skier and to keep it simple and reliable we used a boom box for music. I don't every remember having a problem.

Pretty awesome boats. I had an '82 American Skier.

[Nautiquehunter]

Man this is such a tired take. We get it, you don't like the innovation and technology in the modern surf boats and thats all good but what value are you adding to the OP letting him know you used a boombox 30 years ago.

The new boats are pretty **** reliable, I have over 800 hours on my current boat (2020 xstar) and have had only a couple minor issues with it (replacing a ballast pump 775 hours in and a surf tab actuator at like 500 hours). The innovation has brought a ton of new people to the sport (for better or worse) and on the whole these new surf boats bring a lot more to the table than any reliability issues might detract.

That being said, all things outlined by the OP are pretty minor and can be addressed with small fixes. Just my $02, this stuff drives me nuts though

Why are you posting here if you own a Mastercraft? Looks like a little P-G envy to me?

[Wayward]

Why are you posting here if you own a Mastercraft? Looks like a little P-G envy to me?

Is being a brand loyal, kool aid drinking homer a requirement for posting on PN? Maybe, like me, he likes both brands, has owned both brands, and likes to stay up to date.......

[WakeSports12]

Why are you posting here if you own a Mastercraft? Looks like a little P-G envy to me?

How do you get that? He has good points. Amazing how nobody with a 2013 or newer boat has any good things to say about innovation and technology on these boats. Just like on the facebook page, every time a newer boat has an issue, some guy with a 2001 has to give his .2 about why he is so happy to have his boat

[Tchur1]

How do you get that? He has good points. Amazing how nobody with a 2013 or newer boat has any good things to say about innovation and technology on these boats. Just like on the facebook page, every time a newer boat has an issue, some guy with a 2001 has to give his .2 about why he is so happy to have his boat

Hit the nail on the head! Im not sure how me owning a MC has anything to do with my ability to contribute to the PN community.

I love both brands, have spent significant time on and behind and have posted multiple times how I really like both boats and brands for a variety of reasons. I was simply pointing out the old man yelling at the clouds about how new boats are "unreliable". I was one of the first people to address the issues the OP was posting, never said anything about MC being better but figure its worth calling out pointless posts about a 1982 American Skier with a boombox. If that means I cant contribute to this site, then thats on me.

[bird_dog0347]

How do you get that? He has good points. Amazing how nobody with a 2013 or newer boat has any good things to say about innovation and technology on these boats. Just like on the facebook page, every time a newer boat has an issue, some guy with a 2001 has to give his .2 about why he is so happy to have his boat

My last boat was a 2007 Supra 24 SSV we bought new and kept it until trading for the P23 this spring. There was little to no technology in my old boat, in fact one of it's selling points at the time was the fact it has Catalytic Converters and we could surf without getting headaches (or death). We loved the boat, but honestly if we wanted to surf we had to fill bags in the main lounge area, manually, then drain them manually... over an hour of time total for both plus stepping over them, etc. No touch screens, or tech that could go bad/fail, but we did have things go out like the hydraulic strut to control the wake plate, ballast pumps, etc.

I'm not against the tech on these boats and feel it's been around long enough to be proven out, so long as it's not like an iPhone where you put the latest update on a 3 year old phone and it's now slow as **** with all kinds of problems. I doubt that will happen here though as those issues with mobile devices and computers are generally related to security changes and how that affects the hardware utilization. I'm not using my boat for a secure checkout at Amazon so I'm not concerned there.

[Nautiquehunter]

Is being a brand loyal, kool aid drinking homer a requirement for posting on PN? Maybe, like me, he likes both brands, has owned both brands, and likes to stay up to date.......

I currently own 6 boats ranging from 1967 to 2008 none of them are Mastercraft. I never post on Mastercraft team because I don't have any first hand experience with the brand. I am an old guy that believes in KISS. The more technology you put in the less reliable it will become and the more it will cost to repair.

[Wayward]

I currently own 6 boats ranging from 1967 to 2008 none of them are Mastercraft. I never post on Mastercraft team because I don't have any first hand experience with the brand. I am an old guy that believes in KISS. The more technology you put in the less reliable it will become and the more it will cost to repair.

Just because you don't like both brands, doesnt mean Tchur1, or myself, can't. I owned 3 G23s and currently another XStar. Like Tchur1, I like both brands, and like to keep up with both brands. Nothing wrong with that....

I do agree with you that the newer boats with more tech are less reliable. They just are. Adding a ton of complexity definitely reduces reliability.

[Devo77]

After complaining several times about our cupholders - our dealer siliconed them in place. No problems since...