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With all the excitement and hype of the 210, will the 220 be lost like the Pro Air?
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nah, there is still going to be a market for that boat. the problem with the air and pro air is sitting inside the boats, there was really not a noticible difference. same size, same interior. the 220 and 210 are completely different so i think the 220 will live on... -
CC wants to built Liner Boats and the 220 is a liner boat. I would think the 216 is on the chopping block for 2008 then the only 2 on liner boats will be 196 and 206. Liner boats are cheaper, easier and quick to build.Comment
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Originally posted by sv211wink
I dunno about the 220 being "cheaper" to build per se. It is the second most expensive boat on their entire line up for 2006. And even still not more than two grand less than their flagship model the 226, and now of course the 236 coming out which of course will be in the low 80's with tax. The 226 CC is suffering with because it is identical to the Sv-211 in terms of interior, just a foot bigger, but for the demographic buying the 226 (i.e., not so much interested in wakeboarding, but looking for a good all around capable boat), they might just be as happy with the 211. The 226 is suffering in terms of sales from CC's point of view because they are even offering "4,000 rebates" when you go into the dealer to talk to them. They're motivated to sell them, because they're a little more difficult to sell then the 210 or the 220.Comment
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That's what I'm saying...too many boats without a clear market segregation. Kill the 226 and replace the 220 with a 22' direct drive with 2500lbs ballast in the stern!Comment
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i think the 220 will do well...it is laid out really well and a good size.....
love my 211 but it can get cramped with too many people/gear..the 220 is that just right size and it has a hydrogate...Comment
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AGREED.Originally posted by redelf75Comment
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Replace the 220 with a direct drive?
It seems to me that the direct drive wakeboarding market is not all that great. Th 220 is a cool boat leave it the way it is for a while.
I agree with kill the 226, it has been replaced by the 236.Comment
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here are some interesting thoughts:
-the 210 and the 220 are aparently very near in MSRP, with the 210 having the advantage
-the 210 and the 220 have nearly identical interior space if you take into account the space occupied by the leanback humps in the 220
-both boats exceed the 20 foot limit required for some smaller lakes (i am not aware of any 21 foot limits)
with that in mind, the 220 has no advantage in the size category as one lean back hump is a trashcan, and the other is for glove/sun tan oil storage (both negligible in my mind). the seating configurations are nearly identical (the 220 appears to be a little more balanced). the 210 has the new dash (like it or hate it, the new dash is the future). both boats have the Hydrogate.
if the new 210 lives up to the legacy of the boat formerly known as the SANTE and has a formidable wake, then what market will the 220 take? it will be longer with no advantage in space. it will be more expensive with a more medicore wake (still TBD and all preference, i know). CC has pinched the 220 with two new boats for 2007. assuming the 210 lives up to its name sake and the 236 is aimed at the big boat market, then who will buy a 220?Comment
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Nobody Yellow_Flash_Colorz:Originally posted by tdc_wormComment
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The 220 sold last year and it was placed it had to compete with
210 - Cheaper and better wake.
211 - Cheaper and a better crossover boat with great storage space.
226 - Bigger and I have no idea about the wake.
The 220 is a nice boat. I agree that the leanback humps are a waste for me but alot of people like to have a trash can for their boat. If the 220 and 210 are similar there will be alot of people who will pay a little extra money for the extra foot. Alot of people could care less about the wake.Comment
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My suggestion of a DD wakeboard boat was made a little in tongue and cheek. However, I do believe the concept may have merit. Here's my point…
The area/weight ratio of an engine is far less than that of water. So there is a substantial advantage to using the space of the engine in a V-drive for water ballast. I don't know the weight of the engine, but the same area in water would weigh about 1400lbs. Add that to the usual port and starboard stern ballasts, and you get a heck of a lot of weight back there! Furthermore, in a larger boat the ergonomic disadvantages of DD are less obvious. So, with a shift-gate and some ingenious CC hull design work, maybe this would be the ultimate layout for a crossover boat. Or…maybe not.Comment
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True, but last year the 220 had a unique interior. That won't be the case in '07. Still, it may just feel bigger.Originally posted by jon4presComment
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you cannot extrapolate from the 220s showroom performance from last year and apply it to this years performance... the new 210 and the old 210 are hardly the same...plus you have the addition of the 236.Originally posted by jon4pres
the way i see it, there are not enough differences between the two (210 and 220) to lend one an advantage over the other. once (and if) we have a clear cut winner between the two when it comes to wake, then the sales of the inferior hull will suffer (assuming that they have similar pricing). hello discount time for the loser.
assuming that the 226 and 236 have similar pricing, the 226, in my opinion, will get killed. from aesthetics to ergonomics, the 236 kills the 226 (again in my opinion).
look at the specs of the hulls that will be in the lineup for 2007:
210--length 21' --beam 98"
211--length 20'9" --beam 93"
220--length 22'1" --beam 96"
226--length 22'6.5"--beam 96.5"
236--length 23'1.5"--beam 100.5"
i realize that 3 are "air" hulls and two are "crossover" hulls according to the website, but you still have 5 different hulls within 2'4" of each other. for a company that sells less boats per year than malibu, mastercraft, and skiers choice that seems counter intuitive. malibu (whom sells the highest number of boats), by contrast will bring only 4 v hulls to market this year:
VTX--length 20' (addresses the issue of those lakes with length limits)
VLX--length 21'6"
LSV--length 23'
247--length 24'7"
each progression in size yields roughly an 18" increase in hull length, addressing the needs of different consumers. CC's approach seems a little more disjointed...Comment
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my opinion... MasterCraft has the best lineup, they seemed to have mastered the KISS - keep it simple stupid!
I still think they lack in their slalom line devotion, but as far as wakeboard boats, they've got boats in each size catagory (20', 22', 24', etc.. (give or take a little, I do not have the exact feet dimensions in front of me)), and within each size catagory they have their two styles (bat-boat or not). You just decide if you want a forked bow or not, and then choose size accordingly--simple as that... All boats have virtually simple, yet roomy, comfortable, user-friendly layouts that work great.
my 2nd opinion... CorrectCraft needs to KISS a little bit more..[color=blue][size=2][b]I Nautique, therefore I am.[/b][/size][/color]Comment
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