Future of the 220

[AbunDiga909]

I wonder what our responses will be to the guy who posts during boat show season, about to make his first Nautique purchase, "cannot decide! 210 vs. 220"

The fact that this thread exists proves that CC does not have a clear target market for each wakeboard boat, or at least not clear enough.... we should not have to discuss in detail how to diferentiate one CC boat from another--it should be fairly simple... To CC: If WE cannot figure out how to differentiate one Nautique from another, this is NO chance any joe schmoe customer will be...

...imho

[jmass03]

here are some interesting thoughts:

-the 210 and the 220 are aparently very near in MSRP, with the 210 having the advantage
-the 210 and the 220 have nearly identical interior space if you take into account the space occupied by the leanback humps in the 220
-both boats exceed the 20 foot limit required for some smaller lakes (i am not aware of any 21 foot limits)

with that in mind, the 220 has no advantage in the size category as one lean back hump is a trashcan, and the other is for glove/sun tan oil storage (both negligible in my mind). the seating configurations are nearly identical (the 220 appears to be a little more balanced). the 210 has the new dash (like it or hate it, the new dash is the future). both boats have the Hydrogate.

if the new 210 lives up to the legacy of the boat formerly known as the SANTE and has a formidable wake, then what market will the 220 take? it will be longer with no advantage in space. it will be more expensive with a more medicore wake (still TBD and all preference, i know). CC has pinched the 220 with two new boats for 2007. assuming the 210 lives up to its name sake and the 236 is aimed at the big boat market, then who will buy a 220?

I'm not sure if I agree so much with your statement as to the closeness in price of the 220 and the 210, as well as the similarities. I dunno if you've actually used both boats, but the 210 is considerably a smaller boat than the 220. One of the reasons, we chose the 220 was because of the size of it. The boat is designed with a cab forward design so though the front of it is only a bit larger than the 210 or our previous xstar, the back of it swells much larger than the 210. Even with the extra humps, the boat is certainly larger, and does very well have the potential to throw out a bigger and "nearly" as steep of a wake as the 210. As far as price goes, you can get a FULLY decked out 210 for under 60, however the 220, you cannot get a fully decked out one for a little under 70. There is a good ten thousand dollar price difference between the two boats. For 2007, I know the 220 fully loaded starts at a dealer asking price of 73,000 while the 210 is asked for around 55,000. The 73,000 of course is rediculously inflated, but even still you'd be lucky if you got it out the door, for 66,000.

Jonathan

[jmass03]

Also, I think CC is really leaning in the right direction, though many may bash me for it. Honestly, I understand that Malibu has a number of big boats, the 23 LSV, and the 247 which I'm sure throw out a killer wake, but we also have to look at the age demographic and the prices of these boats. Not many people can go out and throw 60-80 thousand dollars down on some of these boats. The 210 is matched for price for families with 3-4 kids, with family members who wakeboard. The boat is easy to manuever, and price pinpointed for someone who is willing to throw down over 50 thousand for a good solid all around boat.

For the person who said noone will buy the 220, I think they're wrong. I think the 220 will be a sucessful boat in the 2007 and up line up, mainly because I think it is again matched to the families who want a little more space to move around, yet want a boat that is good for socializing and wakeboarding with all the fancy bells and whistles. I know thats what appealed to us.

The 226, I do agree will die off fairly soon. I don't really think the boat offers much of a price difference then the upcoming, or rather already released 236, and I also don't think the boat really offers much as far as where the competitors are going. The boat was designed as a "crossover" boat that could do it all really. Go tubing, entertaining friends, social boarding etc. Even still, prior to 2007 this was the most pricey boat on CC's list, though in 2006 the dealers were offering drastic rebates.

The 236 is going to be a sick boat I think, but again I thing CC is not really looking for the 26 year old who is a hardcore wakeboarder. CC is looking for that family who uses the boat for everything, from socializing but want to spend that extra 20 grand to get the biggest and baddest boat on CC's list. Just like the 23 lsv, and the 247 from malibu, most people don't want to drop close to 80-85 thousand on that 247. They'd be just as happy with the 23 foot malibu lsv. The reason I point to malibu alot, is because the mastercrafts are really starting to lack in market appeal.

Their boats are overpriced, I know because I had one and was looking at purchasing another Xstar. But upon looking, I felt they are really starting to slip for price point. As far as their main wakeboats go, the Xstar and X2 are really where its at. And even still they're asking in the upper 60's for both boats, and ps the X2 is a small *** boat. The X1 even, the same hull as my 2000 Xstar, Mastercraft is asking close to 47 out the door with tax. I don't know, I'm not really raining the parade on anyone really. If anyone has a Mastercraft or Malibu, or a Nautique 226, I'm just simply stating my opinion.

In all honesty, it just comes down to different strokes for different folks. People will pay money for what they think will suit them best, and I think correctcraft is going the right way in meeting what their customers want.

Jonathan

[tdc_worm]

I'm not sure if I agree so much with your statement as to the closeness in price of the 220 and the 210, as well as the similarities. I dunno if you've actually used both boats, but the 210 is considerably a smaller boat than the 220. One of the reasons, we chose the 220 was because of the size of it. The boat is designed with a cab forward design so though the front of it is only a bit larger than the 210 or our previous xstar, the back of it swells much larger than the 210. Even with the extra humps, the boat is certainly larger, and does very well have the potential to throw out a bigger and "nearly" as steep of a wake as the 210. As far as price goes, you can get a FULLY decked out 210 for under 60, however the 220, you cannot get a fully decked out one for a little under 70. There is a good ten thousand dollar price difference between the two boats. For 2007, I know the 220 fully loaded starts at a dealer asking price of 73,000 while the 210 is asked for around 55,000. The 73,000 of course is rediculously inflated, but even still you'd be lucky if you got it out the door, for 66,000.

Jonathan

you dont agree with me because you misread what i wrote. you are comparing the pre 2007 210 to the 220. having used both boats, i agree that there is a huge difference. when comparing the 2007 210 to the 220, the differences are blurred. from all that has been posted in the new 210 thread, the boats are similar in size and a couple of people have posted that their MSRPs will be similar. and even if they are not, it would seem that their is not enough difference between the new 210 and the 220 to justify a several thousand dollar increase in price. either way, i gaurantee you will not find a new 2007 210 for an asking price of around $55k.

[redelf75]

On paper some of these boats look vary similar. It' possible that they feel more different than they look.

I for one, applaud CC's effort to create a more desireable seating configuration. I wish I could live with a 211 or 220 for a week or so, because, 10 minutes at a boat show doesn't do them justice. Where is the 24hr demo program?

[Nautiqueman]

I wonder what our responses will be to the guy who posts during boat show season, about to make his first Nautique purchase, "cannot decide! 210 vs. 220"

The fact that this thread exists proves that CC does not have a clear target market for each wakeboard boat, or at least not clear enough.... we should not have to discuss in detail how to diferentiate one CC boat from another--it should be fairly simple... To CC: If WE cannot figure out how to differentiate one Nautique from another, this is NO chance any joe schmoe customer will be...

...imho

AbunDiga909 thanks for restating the reason I posted this thread to begin with...

I don't want to get caught with a "close out model" that will depreciate faster than one that is in the mainstream of the market.

[Nautiqueman]

On paper some of these boats look vary similar. It' possible that they feel more different than they look.

I for one, applaud CC's effort to create a more desireable seating configuration. I wish I could live with a 211 or 220 for a week or so, because, 10 minutes at a boat show doesn't do them justice. Where is the 24hr demo program?

I am with you redelf

When you shell out 60-80K you really start wanting to know what you are getting. The higher the price, the shorter the halo effect lasts after buying.

[AirNautique211]

I spent some time in a 220 today at MD Boats and to tell you the truth I am looking hard at trading up. My 211 is a great boat, but doesn't compare to the room, layout, extras, and finishing touches of the 220. I also like the interior with combination swirl and straight line accennts. I am not crazy about the decal on the side, but all else seems to be darn nice to me.

I would love to hear more on the topic - owners esp. Does any one know the real long term plan for this model?

Thanks guys!

AN211

[clubmyke]

i think the 220 will be around for awhile... this is cc response to the malibu vlx and mc xstar..

[Laptom]

I also spend some time in a 211 and 220 last weekend and I honoustly have to say that the 220 is very, very impressive. A lot of room for a 22" boat. Some really nice and well thought features. I really liked the boat and it could be my next boat in the upcoming years.

[craigb]

After owning three TE 210 and logging more than 2000 hrs of riding behind and driving them, we were out shopping for 06 210 TE edition, the salesaman asked us if we'd try the new 220, we did, we bought and love our 220. The interior roomand storage is awesome, the wake kicks like the 210, long ramp the like the X-Star and no trough at the bottom of the wakes like the 210. Handling with lots of extra ballast is better than the 210 loaded, 6 months later and still loving it. Being a 98" beam vs the narrower beam of the 210, I had hoped for not as much concern with keeping the weight perfect on each side but that is my only complaint, it isn't any better than the 210. Going big and landing at the bottom of the wake and not having that trough is awesome, especially landing blind.