SAN 210 buyers question vs X15

[Rooster7]

Hello All. Just joined as I’m 80-90% in on a 08’ SANTE 210. Has around 500 hours and the buyer is open to negotiation price wise. Kicker is a 11’ MasterCraft just showed up for sale at similar price point (lower hours around 400). Well, probably 5k difference.

Any big reasons to switch gears toward the X15? I’m on a fairly big lake and the X15 just seems bigger/taller to me which would be nice.

Primary goal for the boat is to be a family boat. I’ve got young kids who are just starting to ski/board/surf/tube etc. Thanks all !

[leathageller]

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For me, the X15 might be a better choice because it's is taller and bigger.

[jpwhit]

What engines are in the two boats?

[Rooster7]

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PCM 343 / Ilmor 5.7

[jpwhit]

Essentially the same engine. So that's pretty much a wash.

Also, unless all the gauges have already been converted to analog. An 08 210 is going to have the dreaded Medallion gateway that'll have to be replaced sooner or later.

It's also a plus that the X-15 is 3 years newer, but that isn't that significant if one is been much better cared for than the other, beyond the Medallion gauge issue.

I don't think 400 vs 500 hours matters much at all. It's much more important how the two engines have been maintained.

What do they each have in terms of speed control?

I would lean towards the X-15 personally. I just think it's a generally more versatile boat. Most X-15 would typically come with the piggyback ballast already installed. So a lot more ballast capacity than you typically have in a 210 by default. But since you're looking at two specific boat, and lots of people upgrade ballast, how many pounds of ballast capacilty do each of them currently have installed.

But another really important factor IMO for a used boat. Have you driven, skied, surfed, wakeboarded behind each? Which one do you like more or feels runs much better than the other.

[Rooster7]

I have not ridden behind either. My kids are likely not going to know the difference. I’m headed out to see the 210 today but the X15 is a ways away. The owner hasn’t said anything about gauges. Is that quite a debacle to fix? I wasn’t aware the 08’ was impacted. I remember seeing something about 03-05 or around there.

Both boats are pretty well maintained with service records. The MC doesn’t have a bimini or cover which adds to the cost. It also doesn’t have any tabs on the back. (Center or surf)

Factory ballast on 210. Extra rear ballast on MC (unknown weight, just said he added rear ballast).

210 is the team edition with perfect pass. Unknown right now on MC.

[Rooster7]

This is the gauge system on the MC. Idk why I thought the center video gauge was a standard option. So it might not even have Perfect Pass.

[Boats Bros]

What are the color options on the 2? I’ve had ugly color boars and I was never happy on the colors

[Rooster7]

Blue and white on the MC. Black / white on the 210. Both look nice.

[swatguy]

OK.

The X10 only wins out if being a family cruising boat is the priority. It’s deeper than a 210 , the cockpit is bit larger , and bow sits higher out of the water.
-ballast timers on the MC make it a pain in the *** to add extra weight to
- tower is pain to fold if that’s something you need.
- when loaded upon acceleration the bow rides pretty high.


The 210 has just as much storage. The cockpit is as plentiful , but you give up little room in the bow and with 2-3 passengers up there you really have to pay attention at idle as it will sit lower than the X15 . As far as wake sports. The 210 is far superior. Surf wake and wakeboard wake are exceptionally better , surf specifically is off the charts compared to an x15. Gen 1 on the x15 is a joke and due to the chines/cutouts in the real adding a wake enhancer on the side of the x15 is tricky. Driving the 210 is much better experience. Very little bow rise on acceleration , and if your wife drives at all she’ll appreciate the clear view out of the Nautique whereas you’re sitting on your tippy toes in the X15. Wakeboard wake on the 210 is significantly more well rounded and can have pro caliber capabilities. So if getting serious about wakeboarding or surfing is on the agenda the 210 is a no brainer. Adding extra weight to the 210 is simple. It’s jug plug and play no timers to worry about. Both have solid power plants. Make sure the X15 doesnt has the base RTP and has at least the MCX. Folding tower on the 210 is cake. Lastly. The X15 will still most likely have a dedicated ski pylon. So if tubing is a priority that will win out. The 210 claims to have a pop up pylon but it’s so low in the back of the transom it gets stuck in the rooster tail . So tubing really has to be from the tower. A lot of people will say don’t ever do that , but I have zero stress cracks and zero issues after 850plus hours of towing tandem tubes for now 18/19yr olds.


As mentioned if simply a family boat to really just tool around in is a priority , I’d give the higher gunwales and deeper bow on the x15 your jam. If you think wakesports are going to be a staple for use , then the 210 is your boat. Lastly resale. The 210 of that era from 08-13 didn’t change. Its wakes are the best in the business for 21ft boat of that era and driving it is a dream. The x15 is a rare boat with limited production. Its wakes are mediocre at best So the resale market on that gets less and less whereas the 210 is always coveted.


mad far as the gateway box on an 08 I’ve never really heard that going sideways. Previous generations for sure on the 06 and earlier. But to my knowledge yes it’s chance it fails but they’re nowhere near at the frequency of the previous edition.

[swatguy]

I have not ridden behind either. My kids are likely not going to know the difference. I’m headed out to see the 210 today but the X15 is a ways away. The owner hasn’t said anything about gauges. Is that quite a debacle to fix? I wasn’t aware the 08’ was impacted. I remember seeing something about 03-05 or around there.

Both boats are pretty well maintained with service records. The MC doesn’t have a bimini or cover which adds to the cost. It also doesn’t have any tabs on the back. (Center or surf)

Factory ballast on 210. Extra rear ballast on MC (unknown weight, just said he added rear ballast).

210 is the team edition with perfect pass. Unknown right now on MC.

The 08 team edition came with zero off. It has its quirks and is nowhere near as adjustable as the perfect pass on the MC so cruise control comparison MC wins .

[Rooster7]

Appreciate all that info. Cruising on the lake and tubing are fairly high up on the list. Probably over wakeboarding for now. The kids are just starting out.

The MC has the ZFT2 tower which the guy said was easy to lower?

Surfing is a priority. My wife enjoys that. The MC does not have a surf system at all.

[Rooster7]

Out of curiosity is there a better boat I should be looking for? A different version MC etc? I’m not in a huge hurry. These two are just where I landed.

[swatguy]

This is a Nautique site , however Centurion and Supreme are sister companies so I don’t see any issue being straight forward and honest. A Centurion would fit you very very very well. Their hulls have some of the deepest V entries and exits of any wakeboat produced outside of Sanger. The give you as buttery smooth of ride in choppy water as you can get with an inboard. The spray channels keep the water away and keep you high and dry. They swapped to PCM power plants depending on the year in your price range so pier is pretty identical. You will give up vinyl quality and tech features. Most likely stainless steel cup holder won’t be there depending on yea and model. Not as great of a stock stereo . The biggest effect is the vinyl though. It’s definitely not as durable long term , you tend to see little more stress cracks at seams. Most of the storage compartments under the actual cockpit won’t have gas shocks you’ll have to lift the entire cushion.

again depending on budget and exact year Centurion’s Ram fill ballast is really cool. Their ride in choppy water cruising is unmatched , their surf wakes are at top of every class in the size category and their wakeboard wakes are above average , just bit finicky due to the deep v hull so passenger., placement to have the boat balanced is important where the 210 and X15 have a flatter transom exit so weight isn’t super sensitive. That would be the brand that came to mind . You’ll save some cash , but you’ll take step down in the overall finish. Centurion uses more plastic fillers in certain areas.

one last thing I completely forgot. That 08 210 has next to zero cup holders in the cockpit. There are a total of 4. Maybe a dealbreaker for some , but not others however I always have scratched my head and wondered what they were thinking on that.

[Rooster7]

I definitely noticed the lack of cup holders. Likely an inconvenience but not a deal breaker.

I looked at centurions. Their draft is what made me a little nervous. We frequent a hangout on the lake for the kids to swim etc. and ideally the boat would be able to sit in ~3 feet or a little less of water.

I watched a video comparing the bow rise on these two boats and you can definitely notice a difference.