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[Hollywood]

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Hopefully that was only a one time thing, just to say "look what we did".

We already had a thread on here about that picture that got locked, so let it slide. SquamWake (changed his name, not exactly sure anymore) is currently building a 2001 from scratch.

[Nates78Ski]

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Easy there, i was just making a comparison between the 220 in the story because people were saying that it couldnt be safe. Not trying to get anything going on that again. Just using it as a reference.

Nate

[tdc_worm]

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elf, sorry for the cranky post...i was stuck in airport last night travelling back from san diego.

why do i think the plate is there? a better question would be why is it not there on some other boats that are over 20 feet? it is to cover the manufacturers butt when it comes to warranty and unsafe operation of the vessel.

http://www.boat-ed.com/ms/course/p2-...urcapacity.htm

the formula that they use to determine max capacity is a crap shoot at best. length x width divided by 15 hardly seems like an accurate formula when it doesnt even consider freeboard, boat weight, or hull shape. at any rate, i know that isnt the topic of debate.

and as far as a cop citing you, i am not sure if it would stick if you were exceeding the capacity plate in a boat over 20 feet. the only catch all citation that i am aware of is reckless endangerment, and if you arent acting like a jack ace, you wont be suspected for it in the first place.

[redelf75]

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elf, sorry for the cranky post...i was stuck in airport last night travelling back from san diego.
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You should have spent the night at a Holiday Select. hehe :grin:

I happen to agree with all your points, except the one about the summons sticking. I think it will. Nonetheless, most people do weight their boats far within reasnable standards in regard to safety, but those that don't should be sighted in my opinion. My point is that the practice is becomming commonplace and authorities will be forced to act prudently, or they will be sighted as negligent. i.e., non-CGA vests are common on our lake and now the cops ask you to remove your vest to inspect it.

BTW, I don't think that 210 looks unsafe either. Maybe the formula for calculating the max weight is based on old designs and technology and it's time for a change.

[Hollywood]

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My point is that the practice is becomming commonplace and authorities will be forced to act prudently, or they will be sighted as negligent. i.e., non-CGA vests are common on our lake and now the cops ask you to remove your vest to inspect it.

Wow that really sucks. I'm assuming you don't have many barefooters out there then, they'd all be busted.

[Quinner]

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If Elf is referring to the CLA it really depends on the officer and whether you have enough CGA vests on board for each occupant. Our neighbor is with CLA and he does not nit pick to that degree, in fact I have skied with one officer a couple times using the mirror as our observer.

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In CA, it is now law to wear a CGA vest. The only exception is for a sanctioned tournament. Nonetheless, I've never seen a patrol enforce it for barefooters. BKH

[Nates78Ski]

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Yeah that was something I've kinda always wondered, is my barefoot suit CGA? I haven't seen anything on it stating that it is, which would lead me to say no. But, man, if i ever happen to be stuck in the water for any extended amount of time due to misfortune, i'd wayyy rather be caught in my barefoot suit then just a CGA vest...

Nate

[redelf75]

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My experience is with the CLA (Candlewood Lake Authority - for those not in the know) and the Lillinonah Lake Patrol. Specifically, they (CLA) asked a rider of a jet ski to remove his vest for inspection. I have yet to witness them to do the same for a skier/wakeboarder but I think the message is clear. They also radar trapped the jet ski for speading with an unmarked bowrider. As far the barefoot suit goes, they told me they grant an exception - as long as you are actually barefooting. Also, the boom must be removed if nowone is using it. I think 2 yrs ago they had a decapitation on the Lilly.

[Quinner]

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Elf,

I was told the CLA will be patrolling with some PWC's, IRC starting in 07'. Makes sense that they would check a PWC riders vest, I wish they had the same PWC licensing laws here as they do in CT. They did have a teak or wake surfer fatality some years back on Candlewood.

Lillinonah, is that basically the Housatonic down around New Milford?

[AbunDiga909]

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Yeah... I got pulled over "speeding" in a jet ski by an undercover cop... he was in an unmarked bayliner-type boat... not the obvious center console w/ big lettering... they're a bitch here..

[redelf75]

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Q,
Yes, Lilly and Zoar are dammed portions of the Housatonic. The CLA PWC's are already out patroling. I've been told that CT is one of the leaders of marine patrol (on inland waters) in the country and maybe that's why I believe the crackdown on wakeboards is only going to get worse (or better...depending on how you look at it). The fatility was on Lilly and was a teenager (male) sitting on the stransom while moving at headway speed - as far as I know. he was not wearing a vest and sank like a rock. His friend was sitting with him but everything happened so fast, the boy sank before his friend even knew what was going on. Very sad.