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  • Miljack
    1,000 Post Club Member
    • Dec 2004
    • 1616

    • Charlotte, NC

    • '08 230 TE ZR6

    #1

    CC Factory Tour- Warning no pics posted...YET

    I had the opportunity to take the CC factory tour last week, and I can say that it's worth the hour or so to view the plant and learn more about how CC puts their boats together. The plant sits in the middle of NOWHERE east of Orlando off the FL528, and when you enter the grounds, you pass one of the lakes that they built, the "tournament lake." Our guide told us that when they started digging the lakes, they found that the dirt/clay mix was perfect for fill, so they kept going, and the lakes ended up about 30 feet deep.

    While I was there, they were having dealer training sessions, mainly concentrating on sales strategies, and how to combat against CC's two biggest rivals, MC and Mailbu. They had an example from each company, X15 for MC, and the 23LSV from 'Bu. The dealers were taking turns role playing, and it was interesting to get the dealer's viewpoint(s) of their customer base.

    Before the tour, I met someone from PCM (yes I know his name, not throwing him in it!) who stated that CC has been presented with the 8.1L Crusader, and it's available today to CC, but it would come from the "blue" engine family. He said CC were still evaluating it, and that they had some packaging concerns with their current boats...

    On the tour of boats, CC had all of their models on display including the new 210, and the 236. The 210 looks very much like the 220 with some mods to the interior, but a very well proportioned boat, it appears physically much bigger than the old 210, freeboard, beam, etc...of course it is, but on the trailer it's very noticeable.

    Ok, the tour begins from the offices and heads out to the production floor, and our guide took us past the final assembly area to the fiberglass plant. He showed us the molds, some of which are new with a higher spec of gelcoat which yields a much harder and smoother surface for the finish of the hull, as that mold surface mirrors the surface of your boat. He said that CC is moving to refinishing all of their molds with this new process, but he said it's a very time consuming step, as evidenced by the techs in there sanding with 1000(!) grit wet sandpaper on blocks! He estimated about 2 weeks full time to get the molds ready for production.
    We didn't get to see the hull glassing process, we started with hulls that were receiving their stringer systems, and other structural components. The stringers come as a subcomponent already glassed, and the production folks glass them into the finished hull with a combination of chopper guns, and hand rolling. It's at this point that the "liner" boats depart a little in their preparation from the "old fashioned" style of CC.

    I'm not teasing, but I'm tired, and I'll get more of this done, and some pics (not great quality, from my PDA), no pics allowed inside the plant, up here in the next day or so....

    Jack
    2008 230 TE-ZR6
    1999 Pro Air Python-sold and moved away :-(
  • Nates78Ski
    • Jan 2005
    • 323

    • Rossford, Ohio


    #2
    RE: CC Factory Tour- Warning no pics posted...YET

    haha oh man... i have a feeling this thread is gonna get locked.
    My \'78 SN

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    • EarlyRiser
      • Nov 2005
      • 171

      • United States of America


      #3
      RE: CC Factory Tour- Warning no pics posted...YET

      Mil, quite the information source unless of course you are associated with a CC dealer Yellow_Flash_Colorz: ER

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      • 03Air210
        • Aug 2006
        • 95

        • Charlotte NC


        #4
        RE: CC Factory Tour- Warning no pics posted...YET

        He is not a dealer. I will back him on that.

        Jack
        Sounds like a great experience. I am going to Disney tommorow but I don't think I will have time to get to the plant. We need to get together when I get back. I want to hear more. Happy Holidays
        Todd

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        • kelpy
          • Feb 2006
          • 11

          • SoCal


          #5
          Chopper guns? Used to bond the stringer system to the hull shell? Even Bayliner would not use such a shoddy method of manufacturing their hulls.

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          • DanielC
            1,000 Post Club Member
            • Nov 2005
            • 2669

            • West Linn OR

            • 1997 Ski Nautique

            #6
            Kelpy, I assume you work in the fiberglass industry, and are an expert in layup methods and schedules?

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            • ag4ever
              1,000 Post Club Member
              • Feb 2004
              • 1180



              #7
              Originally posted by kelpy
              Chopper guns? Used to bond the stringer system to the hull shell? Even Bayliner would not use such a shoddy method of manufacturing their hulls.
              If used properly, they prodce a fine product. if you make an enire hull using it, no, but for some processes, it makes sense.

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              • kelpy
                • Feb 2006
                • 11

                • SoCal


                #8
                A discussion of my qualifications/experience does not belong on this thread. My comment was based on a fiberglass boat manufacturing technique that has no business being used on a 50K+ boat that is always used at speed while possibly heavily loaded
                I tend to think the "chopper gun" was most likely a gun used to dispense adhesive where the stringer grid flanges meet the hull. Then mat and (preferably) bi-axial and tri axial cloth tapes are used to complete the bond of the grid to the hull. The completed hull should be allowed to cure for 72 hours or so before removal from the mold.
                But this is only one way to build a modern high strength hull - there are many others. This basic method though is simple, cost effective for small to medium production numbers and produces a very robust hull assembly. I would think CC would use some variation of this basic method. They certainly don't churn out junk. (They could pay a liitle more attention to detail - electrical wiring for example.)
                Chopper guns have their place in boat building but not in this application. Perhaps in the layup of the deck or liner to save a few $$$ but not the hull.
                Sorry if I hijacked the thread.

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                • M3Fan
                  1,000 Post Club Member
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 1034



                  #9
                  CC uses a coat with the chopper gun for consistency between the gel and the mat on the hull layup IIRC. In this case, again, IIRC, it is to make the most consistent layer of fiberglass behind the gel. It's a matter of doing the best job possible rather than cutting corners in this case.
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                  • M3Fan
                    1,000 Post Club Member
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 1034



                    #10
                    I'll also fuel the fire by saying "any" fiberglassing of the stringers to the hull probably beats just gluing a whole pre-fab stringer system into a boat and then gluing down a plastic floor and blind injecting the floor with foam like another certain manufacturer... CC's stringer system seems way "overbuilt" if anything, especially when you take into account that the foam is poured into the boat, trimmed, and the floor is actually "built" into the boat by virtue of laying fiberglass right over the foam and stringers.
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                    • Miljack
                      1,000 Post Club Member
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 1616

                      • Charlotte, NC

                      • '08 230 TE ZR6

                      #11
                      Continued...with pics I hope

                      Ok
                      I said I was getting tired, they do use a chopper gun, but they also are laying mat and hand rolling to get a very strong bond.

                      I'll spare all of the details, but CC is currently using 5 assembly lines for their models, 4 are dedicated to Vdrives, 1 is used for the 196/206/216. 1 line appeared to be all 211's, 1 used for the 226/236, 1 for 210/211, 1 for 220. He did say the the shared 211/210 line was primarily being used for the new 210 production. I may have some of this wrong on the vdrives, as it was loud in this area of the factory. It is in this stage of production that the hulls get their decks, and in the normal overkill technique, the decks are bonded with a special adhesive and silicone (I think), then the rub rails are added with more stainless fasteners.
                      Current production is 11-12 boats per day, which our guide said was about 60-70% capacity, and that CC is still only building to dealer orders.

                      We didn't see the interior production area, but it looks like they assemble them right next to the boat assembly area. CC does use a component supplier for their towers.

                      From the assembly area, the boats are moved to the water test area where they receive their props, and are then 100% water tested. Our guide said CC is the only small boat manufacturer who test this way. From the water test they head back to the shipping area where they have final tweeks, and are then preppred for shipment. While we were there, the shipping guys were getting a 196 or 206 ready to put in an overseas container, that looked like it would have been fun to watch!

                      I think I covered everything, if someone has some questions, it trigger something I've forgotten.

                      Forgive the pics as they were taken with my PDA, but they should give an idea of the factory.

                      Jack
                      2008 230 TE-ZR6
                      1999 Pro Air Python-sold and moved away :-(

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                      • Miljack
                        1,000 Post Club Member
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 1616

                        • Charlotte, NC

                        • '08 230 TE ZR6

                        #12
                        1 more pic

                        One more pic...
                        2008 230 TE-ZR6
                        1999 Pro Air Python-sold and moved away :-(

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                        • LT206
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 262

                          • Huntsville, AL


                          #13
                          That back of factory picture is great - a huge improvement over the conditions of their old place. I guarantee the dealers will be muuuch happier when they receive their boats that have been prepped for shipping and waiting in a nice asphalt parking lot. If you ever saw their old factory with all the crusher run everywhere - I don't see how they ever shipped a boat that wasn't full of white gravel dust. From talking to dealers apparently the boats from the old factory were nasty when they got them and they had to do a lot of cleanup to get the boats ready for the showroom.... maybe that won't be the case now..

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                          • rleinen79
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 105

                            • South Bend, IN


                            #14
                            Awesome pics. Thanks for taking the time to post and share.


                            Rob

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                            • M3Fan
                              1,000 Post Club Member
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 1034



                              #15
                              Agreed. Thanks for sharing.
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