So has anyone taken delivery of a new 210 yet?

[MHayes]

Is the above picture when you had it weighted with 1200kgs?

[speck]

as i have said before i generally like the boat, i just have trouble with the physics of sinking a wide boat. with that said that is a good post, and i hope that the new 210 does well, i am sceptical though of the wake. i will say this; being a canadian i know a bit of metric and 64 kg = 141 lbs, i know this from rowing weight classes. so multiply 1200kg by 2.2 and you get 2640 lbs. i currently run the stock 800 + 400 in the bow and two 250 wedge sacs for a total of 1700 and i only run these full when no-one but the driver and observer are in the boat. if people are in the boat the rear extra wedge sacs are only half filled. 2640 lbs is alot of weight to start and stop IMO, but i will concede that wake looks killer. thanks for the info

[AbunDiga909]

I have to agree w/ speck... that wake does loook sick, and I cant imagine anyone complaining about it being behind that boat... only thing though, part of what makes a great boat great is that it shouldnt NEED to have all this extra weight. 1200 kgs is ginormous...

CC should make boats that make great wakes naturally (like they do), but not at the same time rely on the customer to add huge amounts of aftermarket ballst to acheive that new legendary wake... a dealer cant sell a boat saying it has a great wake, that is, if you add 1200 kg of aftermarket ballast... and then give the boat all the credit for the wake...

[jbwake]

That wake is way above normal size and maybe so is 1200kg.

I think the point of the post was to say this is a good boat and this is what you can get out of it. Not what you have to do to it.

[pjdave]

One credit i heard from the new 210 that it has no side to side weighting issues that the old 210 and 220 have. The wake on the above boat was massive ( i crossed it driving a older 210)

I had a chance to re ride the old 210 with 600kg extra ballast over stock for the first time since receiveing our 220. I thought that i would love it but it wasnt the case, Im totally happy with the wake the 220 puts out (with equivalant weighting) its larger and has a better shape. Now wish i could have got a ride behind that boat (new 210) with 600kgs of weight in it......

My question is why buy an 210 over a 220? What are peoples thoughts

[AbunDiga909]

This is all personal preference I guess, but one major advantage, IMHO, of the 210 over the 220 is that you dont have a perminant divider on the starboard side of the seating... I would get a 210 over a 220 if I had the choice... seems more comfortable if you can lie down w/o that perminant backrests on the 220...

[PARA]

This is all personal preference I guess, but one major advantage, IMHO, of the 210 over the 220 is that you dont have a perminant divider on the starboard side of the seating

As I am probably a bit unique as I have had a 220, now just taken delivery of my 07 210 I will be out on the 210 friday I will give you an unbiased opinion on the 2 boats likes and dislikes.But as a footnote I am with AbunDiga909 as I prefer the seating on the 210 as to been able to lie the saets compleatly down.

[GCN-01]

Agreed the picture posted is at the extreme end of the scale, and there will only be a minority of people operating the boat at this end of the scale. Regardless though I would think that the majority of people will be more inclined to weight it similarly to what speck has mentioned above (if they are pure wakeboarders) or just slightly above factory. I think that this level of weighting will be ideal for anyone with a wide variety of spins, inverts & glides in their trick list...

I agree with Abundiga909 that boats should be built for their intended purpose to either creat a wake naturally from hull design with a moderate amount of ballast on board or suppress a wake for slalom. One of the reasons I trusted my future with the Nautique product was because I beleived the company were one of the few employing this theory in their product design. This boat does produce a very nice wake with just factory ballast and a regular crew of people, but the hull is such that it just keeps getting bigger & better with the more weight you add. I found that adding anything over what speck listed above in the old hull was just a waste of time & money.

I did a test drive with the new 210 yesterday which again received a very favourable response, but I decided to stick around afterwards and have a bit of a run myself with a couple of mates. We added another 350kgs in addition to the 2 people on board to simulate a regular size crew. We only tested in about 5-6ft of salt water but the wake was very well defined & still had good vertical pop. The most common exdplanation I get of the wake is this "it is so predicatble but it just pops you up & you can still cut hard at it without it throwing you off"... again not my words, but after riding both extremes of the wake, I agree with them as an accurate description...

Either way words can only describe so much, as can still pictures... ride it for yourself & make up your own mind

[bbc3]

Lovin the pic....we like to call that "gangsta' wake"...I'm sure the boat was slammed while sitting idle in the water.

Can you give a detailed write up of how and where you place your weight? Sacks?--wedges? fat buddies? tube sacks? Lead?--where? People?--where?

Thanks in advance...good work on proving the boat can handle even the maximum loads...I know tiges and some BU's that would wash and curl like crazy with that much weight...

BC

[radmaster]

Yeah the 220 wake is nice - a lot easier to hit, but being used to the old 210 wake i get a bit more of a boot riding what im used to. JB and PJ, how did you guys find the 220 wake when you first changed over? and does the future hold an 08 210 or 220?

[pjdave]

rad, we wernt fond of the 220 wake on first change over, its taken us a awhile to sort out where the weight should be placed to get a good shape wake. We first tried the same weight we ran in the nose of the 210 in the nose of the 220, we have since added more weight and have moved most of it backwards to the centre, we also figured pulling the gate back or forward actually cleans up the wake side to side. now the wake is awsome.

Anyway, We are not sure what boat it will be next year, thats why i asked the question above.

The two boats have simular interior set ups, the 210 is only 200kg lighter, its wider, sits the same height on trailer (meaning the tower needs to be folded down for storage) and the price step up too a 220 is not that great

We havent had a chance to ride the new 210. The new 210 looks the goods (virtually a 220 without the bin and cooler) but with more beam, leaving a less side to side lean.

I am stoked on the 220 at the moment, everything we want in a boat, plenty of legroom, storage (sub space) and a great wake. the boats only down falls, are the side to side weighting needs to be spot on (but as above the gate sorts that out) and it is a large boat for storage and towing.

[craigb]

pjdave, where and how much weight are you running in your 220? Where is the hydrogate usually set at?

[pjdave]

might put up as a new post as this is getting off the 210 subject.

[PARA]

As I am probably a bit unique as I have had a 220, now just taken delivery of my 07 210 I will be out on the 210 friday

Ok My 10 cents
Took out the new 210 07 out over the weekend.(pic was me plus i chick in the boat + rider don`t think pic does wake justice)
Running in so no ballast, I think it handles really well,The wake I found a lot more rampy compared to 220,I prefer the way the non drivers side seat go all the way down,But saying that I always liked the 220 seating,they are very similar boats to be honest didn`t really notice the loss of 1 foot!!! Will be intresting next weekend when I can put ballast etc in. In all I think it is awesome, but so was the 220.
But as I said the pic does not do the wake it justice will get better ones next time out.
As a foot note believe it will come down to personal prefence,The 210 definatly will cater for my needs as a wakeboard tour operator.

[GCN-01]

Just to give another perspective on the loaded wake, here is a picture showing both sides from a bit further back... Boat was loaded same way as original photo. Rider is the same kid as in the original photo (6 ft tall) so everything is pretty consistent, just a different angle.